CJ Shearn Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 (edited) I've been in a real burnout mood and love things like Tain's "Mr. JJ" on "Detained", the stuff on "Black Codes", Branford's "Dark Keys", "Dewey Baby" off of "The Beautyful Ones Aren't yet Born" Kenny Garrett's "Triology" and "Standard of Language", the title track of "Beyond the Wall" definite burnout, Chris Potter's "Lift" what are some other records I may have missed in the past decade, or the 90's with more serious burnout stuff? Edited January 10, 2010 by CJ Shearn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 What do you mean by burnout? I knew a lot of people who were burnouts, but sense that's a different matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazaro Vega Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 The Eternal Triangle by Dizzy with Sonny Rollins and Sonny Stitt......Dishwater by Lee Morgan.....there's a blues in C on Benny Green's Vee Jay recording with Gene Ammons that fits the burning it up bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnymax Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 I see a new compilation series in the making, "Jazz For Burnouts." Wait a minute, isn't that what "smooth jazz" is for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free For All Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 what is a burnout? I'm used to that being the guys in the 80's with the Megadeth and Slayer jackets who did drugs all the time and screamed out loud in 7-Elevens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Shearn Posted January 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 from the Bad Plus Do the Math blog: “Burn out” was a favorite style of the Young Lions: fast, aggressive, modal, and dominated by a lot of piano and drum interaction (see “Chambers of Tain” on Black Codes). A lot of post-Coltrane 70’s jazz is also aggressive and modal, but one of the ways the Wynton or Branford Marsalis “burn out” music was distinctive was how modality was pushed chromatically to the point of atonality. Arguably the clearest predecessor to that “atonal modal” fast swing is Liebman and Beirach, first with Frank Tusa and Jeff Williams in Lookout Farm." Now, certainly there are examples of other forms of "burn out" Bird on "Koko", Johnny Griffin "The Way you Look Tonight", but what's defined above is more of what I'm after at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Arguably the clearest predecessor to that “atonal modal” fast swing is Liebman and Beirach, first with Frank Tusa and Jeff Williams in Lookout Farm." Surely this is not a serious statement... Coltrane Quartet, 1965, Half Note recordings, particularly "Creation" = the Alpha & the Omega of what is described above. Those tapes were circulating among players long before they went "public". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 I like that term - on my next CD we do a thrash blues - I think that will qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Shearn Posted January 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 yeah Jim, that's what I was thinking, of the Trane Half Note stuff. I guess the term burnout would apply to something that was new for that generation of players, but something that had been around. Though cats like Branford, Kenny Garrett, Tain were filtering it through their own lens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFrank Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 NICE one, Free! This is one of the first albums I ever owned. Great instro surf/hot rod set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 CS&N albums feature at least three burnouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Shearn Posted January 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Englewood Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 CS&N albums feature at least three burnouts. I think they're more fried than burned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Or baked, to use common parlance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrdlu Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeCity Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 ? ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christiern Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Never heard that term applied to music, but I wouldn't discourage anyone from burning out the stuff mentioned in this thread's opening post—provided that they also threw out the ashes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 yeah Jim, that's what I was thinking, of the Trane Half Note stuff. I guess the term burnout would apply to something that was new for that generation of players, but something that had been around. Though cats like Branford, Kenny Garrett, Tain were filtering it through their own lens. Borrowed (kindest term I can dredge up) lenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 I guess if you mean borrowed, why not say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randyhersom Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Trane didn't mean to take it with him. He left it for all of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Matthew 25:14-30 (New International Version) The Parable of the Talents 14"Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his property to them. 15To one he gave five talents[a] of money, to another two talents, and to another one talent, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16The man who had received the five talents went at once and put his money to work and gained five more. 17So also, the one with the two talents gained two more. 18But the man who had received the one talent went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master's money. 19"After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20The man who had received the five talents brought the other five. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.' 21"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!' 22"The man with the two talents also came. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with two talents; see, I have gained two more.' 23"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!' 24"Then the man who had received the one talent came. 'Master,' he said, 'I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.' 26"His master replied, 'You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest. 28" 'Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. 29For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 30And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeCity Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Easy, now... we don't want to have to move this thread to the Politics and Religion area! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 But I'm talkin' 'bout Trane! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Well we can dig it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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