king ubu Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 The Blue Notes, too, of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Not sure if Basil Kirchin's experiments with pre-recorded sound effects with the likes of Evan Parker and Derek Bailey is within the timescale limit but it certainly deserves to be in there ('Worlds Within Worlds' etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Yeah, he definitely would fit into the time frame. What an odd dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Yeah, he definitely would fit into the time frame. What an odd dude. Certainly one of a kind. And very influential on the likes of Brian Eno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 The Pan Afrikan People's Arkestra under Horace Tapscott, formed in LA in the early 1960s. http://www.myspace.com/panafrikanpeoplesarkestra And the Sun Ra Arkestra. And other "collectives." It seems to me you can trace notions of freedom in music to political developments as one thematic line. But then I would also look at more traditional folk music, and the changing economic times that led to the dearth of gigs for R&B and traditional jazz performers in the late 1960s and 1970s. The nature of political songs. Is a political song like Archie Shepp's work in that period actually effective in any way? It's not a folk song in one way (you can't have people singing it while protesting) but it is inspired by and perhaps does engender forms of anger or revolt. But did anyone ever start a riot while listening to jazz? I think the link mentioned above to the revolutions (and non-revolutions) of 1968 is important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Hawkins Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 How about Chris McGregor, the Brotherhood of Breath? Although a version did exist in the 1960s, I'd argue they were really a band of the 1970s...the first record was 1971, off the top of my head... Now the Blue Notes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Is a political song like Archie Shepp's work in that period actually effective in any way? It's not a folk song in one way (you can't have people singing it while protesting) but it is inspired by and perhaps does engender forms of anger or revolt. But did anyone ever start a riot while listening to jazz? Dave Burrell played a solo concert at a local college here (Bryn Mawr I think, could have been Rosemont or Haverford) several years ago, and had a Q&A afterwards. I asked him if he had any interesting stories of his time with Archie Shepp, and he told about a riot starting during one of their concerts in France due to pro- and anti- Communist factions in the audience. I forget the exact details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Leave some space for Charles Tyler and Giuseppe Logan, two avantgardists from the era you're dealing with! They should even have quite a large place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 How about Chris McGregor, the Brotherhood of Breath? Although a version did exist in the 1960s, I'd argue they were really a band of the 1970s...the first record was 1971, off the top of my head... Now the Blue Notes... which was my next proposition... I see these as kind of a continuum... McGregor, Dudu, Feza, Dyani, Miller, Moholo... it might be very true though that in the 60s they were mostly still struggling and marginalized, while in the 70s they played more often and - probably the two went hand-in-hand - more european (british) musicians joined the ranks... "Very Urgent" and "Up to Earth" are the McGregor albums to consider, "Blue Notes Legacy - Live in South Africa" and some other early stuff by the Blue Notes, then, too... there'd be more from South Africa, of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Reynolds Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 and although their greatest recordings were in the early 70's : Can the jam on Yoo Doo Right is beyond it's time - maybe still is great discussion above re: Brotz, Moholo, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted October 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 continued thanks to everyone, though I'm somewhat sorry I asked - making cut and paste lists as we go, not really sure what I can do with all this, but it does have the makings of a fascinating tapestry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Giorgio Gaslini! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Oh yeah, of course! Nuovi Sentimenti! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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