felser Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 I have a few of them for reference purposes. Sound is variable, generally good. The 2CD sets have no discographical info, the four CD sets do have it. Definitely not breaking the bank on packaging or seeking superior masters or anything. Not nearly up to the level of Proper or Avid or our Andorran friends at Fresh Sound/Lonehill. Say what you will about those labels (on second thought, don't, you already have ), they care about their releases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Future Release Gigi Gryce 8 Classic Albums (2011) Pre-Order Now! Available: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 $13.49 (Import) Box Set Albums:When Farmer Met Gryce, Nicas Tempo, Jazzlab ( With Donald Byrd), Modern Jazz Perspective ( With Donald Byrd), Sayin Something, The Hapnins, The Rat Race Blues, Reminiscin' Notification from CD Universe. Not legit I suppose. Checked the link inserted by Mikeweil above but could not see the Gryce set there. Does anybody happen to know which of the Jazz Lab LPs (with Donald Byrd) is included on this set? The one on Columbia or the one on Jubilee? As far as I can see from my vinyls both go by this same title. Or is it the Jazzland one that goes under the same brief title? At any rate, I seem to have 4 of the 8 but as each of the other four is likely to set me back as much as this set of 8 if I wanted to get a single CD of it now I might go for this set too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 I know what you mean. This could be the most viable future of jazz reissues. GRRR. I'm not sure any future jazz reissues are viable, seriously. That must make a couple of members who are involved in doing reissues feel very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA Russell Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 I'd rather "steal" free FLAC files from sharity blogs than pay for stuff like this. I don't get it. Do you abstain from buying Dickens because his heirs don't get paid either? Both Dickens and Gryce are dead. How cold does the body have to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 (edited) This series uses original album cover images. it's almost "pornographic" It's a like a game hunter's trophy room, something else that gives me the creeps. As for how long the body has to be dead, Dickens, etc. let me put it this way - there's a difference between buying even a cheap reprint and paying money for some pages out of somebody's Xerox machine. Just my opinion. Edited October 20, 2011 by JSngry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 How can labels currently paying artists, studios, engineers, note writers, etc compete with cheap xeroxes of other peoples work? Death to those few still trying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 I mean, really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 dang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 But wait, there's more! And still more! Help yourself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA Russell Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 How can labels currently paying artists, studios, engineers, note writers, etc compete with cheap xeroxes of other peoples work? Death to those few still trying. By the way, Chuck, I see that Amazon is sold out of your Warne Marsh. That must be good news, indicating that people are buying it. Congrats! http://www.amazon.com/All-Music-Warne-Marsh/dp/B00094CW7G/ref=wl_it_dp_o_npd?ie=UTF8&coliid=I1HSTYF7Y93WQ7&colid=RVSBV717YT9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelz777 Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 I might have to pick this one up along with the Gryce. I only have "Blue Hour" in this set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 I might have to pick this one up along with the Gryce. I only have "Blue Hour" in this set. Looks like they beat Mosaic to the Three Sounds big box.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdavenport Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 I know what you mean. This could be the most viable future of jazz reissues. GRRR. I'm not sure any future jazz reissues are viable, seriously. That must make a couple of members who are involved in doing reissues feel very good. It gives me no pleasure to say it - I simply can't see that there can be a market, other than the diehards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 i don't get why there's still market for this type of cheap reissue (both legit and less legit) where you buy a huge pile of albums with little documentation in ugly packaging ... as far as i can see this type of release becomes more and more common - but in the age of downloads and free streaming sites to me this seems like the opposite of what i would have expected to happen - i can listen to, say, the hank mobley mosaic legally and for free anytime i want - why should i spent money on "3 classic albums" in that type of package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 i don't get why there's still market for this type of cheap reissue (both legit and less legit) where you buy a huge pile of albums with little documentation in ugly packaging ... as far as i can see this type of release becomes more and more common - but in the age of downloads and free streaming sites to me this seems like the opposite of what i would have expected to happen - i can listen to, say, the hank mobley mosaic legally and for free anytime i want - why should i spent money on "3 classic albums" in that type of package. a) Because you don't like downloads? b) Because you would have to convert/burn your donwloads to CD for physical archiving afterwards anyway and do not feel comfortable enough with doing that, especialy if ready-made CDs are that dirt cheap? c) Because you already have part of the material on CD and would like to get the rest but shy away from it because for some reason one or two particular CDs are either very expensive (for hardly any good reason at all) or unavailable? etc. etc. I for one am not overly keen on cheap packaging and lack of liner notes etc. either but if you have been in this collecting field long enough to have been forced to live through the utter darkness of shoddy repackaging, nondescript covers, awkwardly modernized artwork, lack of liner notes or session info etc. throughout the entire 70s (and often well beyond) you can probably live with the occasional "cheapo" packaging as long as it is only a stopgap and you do the bulk of your collecting with more properly presented CDs (and even many of those PD labels often come u with quite adequate info in their booklets). All in all it's a tradeoff, I think, just like many around here probably would defend their choice of "Proper" boxes as the purchase of them on artists they have huge gaps to fill with would leave them more money to buy "full-price" releases/reissues where they only need to fill individual gaps in a more targeted manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelz777 Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Does anyone here have experience with these sets? Since it is 8 albums on 4 discs, do all the albums fit neatly on a disc or are there some albums that would be split between two discs to make them fit? It would be kind of a drag if the flow of an album was broken up between two discs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Does anyone here have experience with these sets? Since it is 8 albums on 4 discs, do all the albums fit neatly on a disc or are there some albums that would be split between two discs to make them fit? It would be kind of a drag if the flow of an album was broken up between two discs. I can't speak about these ones specifically, though most of the time the Avid releases try not to split albums across CDs. On the other hand, the Felsted Mainstream collection box set (9 albums on 5 CDs) has several of these splits, so I'm going to have to do some ripping and reprogramming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETman Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Does anyone here have experience with these sets? Since it is 8 albums on 4 discs, do all the albums fit neatly on a disc or are there some albums that would be split between two discs to make them fit? It would be kind of a drag if the flow of an album was broken up between two discs. I can't speak about these ones specifically, though most of the time the Avid releases try not to split albums across CDs. On the other hand, the Felsted Mainstream collection box set (9 albums on 5 CDs) has several of these splits, so I'm going to have to do some ripping and reprogramming. Fresh Sound just released a version of this box with each of the 9 albums given its own individual disc. http://www.freshsoundrecords.com/the_complete_stanley_dance_felsted_mainstream_jazz_recordings_1958-1959_9-cd_box_set-cd-5596.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I might have to pick this one up along with the Gryce. I only have "Blue Hour" in this set. Looks like they beat Mosaic to the Three Sounds big box.. Three questions: Will it include the bonus tracks from the Blue Note reissue of the Three Sounds Blue Note debut? Will it include the bonus tracks from the Nat Adderley Riverside album? Will it include the bonus material from the Blue Hour sessions? Answer: Probably not - with these added the 8 albums would no longer fit on four CDs. p.s. looks like the Japanese The Three Sound Vol. 2 will be included ... Checked the link inserted by Mikeweil above but could not see the Gryce set there. Yes - that page needs to be updated! And they are not very generous as far as track listings etc. are concerned ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Vol.2 = the bonus tracks on Introducing the Three Sounds US cd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Fresh Sound just released a version of this [Felsted] box with each of the 9 albums given its own individual disc. http://www.freshsoundrecords.com/the_complete_stanley_dance_felsted_mainstream_jazz_recordings_1958-1959_9-cd_box_set-cd-5596.html Right, this was discussed on the other thread. I'd rather have the compact box, esp. as most of these albums are right at the 40 minute mark. Sound quality is probably about the same for both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Does anyone here have experience with these sets? Since it is 8 albums on 4 discs, do all the albums fit neatly on a disc or are there some albums that would be split between two discs to make them fit? It would be kind of a drag if the flow of an album was broken up between two discs. No bonus cuts on these. Haven't seen any albums broken up. They abruptly cut off about 2 minutes at the end of one key track on the Kenny Dorham set to fit the two albums on one CD (very annoying), but have not hit any other missing or abridged cuts. I have four or five of these. I'd much rather have a Proper or an Avid or a Lonehill in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnymax Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I'd rather "steal" free FLAC files from sharity blogs than pay for stuff like this. I don't get it. Do you abstain from buying Dickens because his heirs don't get paid either? Both Dickens and Gryce are dead. How cold does the body have to be? The point is, even if you can't support the artist, why support the thief? Personally, I like the idea of stealing that which is not rightfully yours. Call it poetic justice. Like my man Omar says: All in the game, yo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA Russell Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I'd rather "steal" free FLAC files from sharity blogs than pay for stuff like this. I don't get it. Do you abstain from buying Dickens because his heirs don't get paid either? Both Dickens and Gryce are dead. How cold does the body have to be? The point is, even if you can't support the artist, why support the thief? sonnymax, do you understand the concepts of copyright and public domain? Real Gone are not thieves. These are works in the public domain in Europe, just like Charles Dickens' works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Keep in mind, though, that these issues are actually not legal in the United States. Last I looked, a fair amount of this stuff is actually still in print here. But even if they are not "thiefs" in their own land(s), they most definitely are opportunists of the slimiest, crassest kind imaginable, carney barkers who choose not to even bathe once a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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