did Trane really want Cecil on that date?

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

do you know the story about this, how did trane end up with cecil taylor on piano for this (coltrane time)

[brownie]

The date was CT's. Coltrane was his guest.

The album originally came out as 'Hard Driving Jazz'

It later was reissued as Coltrane's date after Trane's name became more well known.

[jeffcrom]

CT talks about this date in A. B. Spellman's book Four Lives in the Bebop Business. The producer, Tom Wilson, chose the sidemen. Cecil was fine with Coltrane, but wanted Ted Curson instead of Kenny Dorham, who was apparently pretty hostile during the session.

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

tom wilson, isnt that the guy who produced zappa?

[romualdo]

tom wilson, isnt that the guy who produced zappa?

yep, same person

[Christiern]

Wilson was black, but he mostly A&R'ed sessions by white artists like Dylan, Simon and Garfunkel—that alone made him stand out in the business. John Hammond was not too pleased when Wilson replaced him as Dylan's producer.He died while still in his forties.

[Pete C]

That session was quite a train wreck.

[jazzbo]

Wilson's work at Transition. . . da bomb.

[sidewinder]

Wilson's work at Transition. . . da bomb.

and Sun Ra/Walt Dickerson ('Impressions Of A Patch Of Blue')

Edited February 5, 2012 by sidewinder

[JSngry]

That session was quite a train wreck.

"Train wreck"? As in CRASH!!! BOOM!!! CRUNCH!!! NOBODY WALKS AWAY ALIVE?

Not for me....

I hear it as a rather high-level study in friction.

[jlhoots]

That session was quite a train wreck.

"Train wreck"? As in CRASH!!! BOOM!!! CRUNCH!!! NOBODY WALKS AWAY ALIVE?

Not for me....

I hear it as a rather high-level study in friction.

I like it too.

[AllenLowe]

Wilson also produced the rock group Cyrkle.

[J.A.W.]

Wilson also produced the rock group Cyrkle.

of "Red Rubber Ball" fame

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

i didnt know he was black, i heard that he was like the countercultural person in straight-Verve, and he was took lots of lsd and during the freak out recording sessions, he never left the orgy room

[JSngry]

Wilson also produced the rock group Cyrkle.

of "Red Rubber Ball" fame

Also "Turn-Down Day"!

Edited February 5, 2012 by JSngry

[John L]

Wilson also produced the rock group Cyrkle.

of "Red Rubber Ball" fame

Also "Turn-Down Day"!

You mean they actually recorded more than one song.

[JSngry]

Oh yeah!

"Turn-Down Day", though, was produced by John Simon, not Tom Wilson, although Paul Simon co-wrote "Red-Rubber Ball". So either way, there's a Simon involved, but not a Wilson.

Actually, I don't think there was a Wilson involved at all, Tom or otherwise!

[fasstrack]

Wilson also produced the rock group Cyrkle.

of "Red Rubber Ball" fame

As kids in Canarsie we made up a parody: Red Rubber Rabbi. All the kids in hebrew school sang it as protest, we hated school so much.

We also called the 'morah' (rabbi's wife) the 'moron'. As you might imagine my career as Yeshivaista was mercifully short-lived.

Edited February 5, 2012 by fasstrack

[Dave James]

Oh yeah!

"Turn-Down Day", though, was produced by John Simon, not Tom Wilson, although Paul Simon co-wrote "Red-Rubber Ball". So either way, there's a Simon involved, but not a Wilson.

Actually, I don't think there was a Wilson involved at all, Tom or otherwise!

Not to be a thread blender, but Cyrkle isn't a bad example of sunshine pop.

[mjzee]

i didnt know he was black, i heard that he was like the countercultural person in straight-Verve, and he was took lots of lsd and during the freak out recording sessions, he never left the orgy room

Tom Wilson is the guy in the front row on the far left:

[jazzbo]

[Christiern]

Chewy: "i didnt know he was black, i heard that he was like the countercultural person in straight-Verve, and he was took lots of lsd and during the freak out recording sessions, he never left the orgy room."

You need to stop reading old copies of The Reader's Digest.

BTW, I vaguely recall hearing that he died from suicide. Does anyone else remember hearing that?

[Bright Moments]

Oh yeah!

"Turn-Down Day", though, was produced by John Simon, not Tom Wilson, although Paul Simon co-wrote "Red-Rubber Ball". So either way, there's a Simon involved, but not a Wilson.

Actually, I don't think there was a Wilson involved at all, Tom or otherwise!

Not to be a thread blender, but Cyrkle isn't a bad example of sunshine pop.

Both Dawes and Danneman became professional jingle writers after The Cyrkle disbanded. Dawes later wrote the famous "plop plop fizz fizz" jingle for Alka-Seltzer. Danneman wrote jingles for Continental Airlines and Swanson Foods. He penned the original 7Up Uncola song. In 1977, Dawes produced Foghat. [source: Wikipedia]

[romualdo]

And let's not forget the Velvet Underground

I think he produced the first three LP's, including the "Banana" cover, even though that's been credited to Andy Warhol (he had very little to do with the production)

[AllenLowe]

actually, I was confusing Wilson with Simon. Sorry,

but I always liked Cyrkle.