So, What Are You Listening To NOW?

[dougcrates]

[dougcrates]

[Chuck Nessa]

12 minutes ago, dougcrates said:

I remember a reviewer, back in the day, saying this Mangione brother was named for the "space between his ears".

[Jazzmonkie]

Better than I expected.

[EKE BBB]

[soulpope]

[ghost of miles]

[HutchFan]

Enjoying this "chamber jazz":

Roditi, Ignatzek, Rassinfosse - Beyond Question (Nagel Heyer, 2009)

 

[HutchFan]

 

7 hours ago, soulpope said:

❤️ ❤️ ❤️

 

[Peter Friedman]

[HutchFan]

Prompted by the Mingus Complete 70s Atlantic set announcement:

[mjazzg]

1 hour ago, HutchFan said:

Prompted by the Mingus Complete 70s Atlantic set announcement:

👍

and I'm listening to 'Let My Children Hear Music' prompted by the same thread despite it not being in that timeframe

Edited April 19, 2023 by mjazzg

[HutchFan]

 

 

24 minutes ago, mjazzg said:

and I'm listening to 'Let My Children Hear Music' . . .

Such a magnificent album!  Among his very best.   

 

[mjazzg]

9 minutes ago, HutchFan said:

Such a magnificent album!  Among his very best.   

 

Definitely. 'Mingus Moves' next up

[Peter Friedman]

I saw this group live a few times at the Bamboo Club in Detroit in the 1960's.

It was the George Bohanon (Trombone) - Ronnie Fields (tenor Sax)  Quintet with Kenny Cox, piano,

Will Austin, bass, and Bert Myrick, Drums

[Д.Д.]

Mosahiko Togashi with Steve Lacy and Kent Carter. Good stuff, although it would have been great if it was just a Togashi-Carter duo. Lacy's participation makes it more "ordinary". Great sound.      

On 4/18/2023 at 12:45 AM, T.D. said:

Yes, I have quite a few recordings w. Miller as sideman.

There's this 3-CD collection featuring him as leader,

which is scarce as hen's teeth. Michael (on behalf of Scott aka freejazz) sold one on this forum, but I snoozed and lost out. 😢

It's five albums of which four (with the exception of "Down South") are available from Ogun on bandcamp: https://ogun3.bandcamp.com/music . The music is OK, not spectacular.    

[AllenLowe]

On 4/18/2023 at 10:40 AM, jlhoots said:

I still don't get what this has to do with Trump or MAGA both of which I hate.

My point  with the Trump comparison is that when it comes to politics, we are critical of people who make judgements with insufficient evidence or information. To me there are particular kinds of music, historically based, that require a certain level of knowledge in order to understand how they sound and why they sound that way. I’m sorry if I offended people who liked Moran’s recent things, but the James Reese Europe stuff in particular is so musically misguided that it just needs to be said. Just as I wouldn’t try to judge a classical performance, these old black forms require a more comprehensive understanding of how music was made in those days and why it was made the way it was made 

And this is  not some kind of abstract intellectual point of view, because the original music is still there, still available, and not to listen to it is like preferring Pat Boone to little Richard. The difference is that dramatic.

Edited April 19, 2023 by AllenLowe

[BillF]

5 hours ago, ghost of miles said:

👍

Now playing:

Edited April 19, 2023 by BillF

[JSngry]

This is a really good record. 

[jlhoots]

26 minutes ago, AllenLowe said:

My point  with the Trump comparison is that when it comes to politics, we are critical of people who make judgements with insufficient evidence or information. To me there are particular kinds of music, historically based, that require a certain level of knowledge in order to understand how they sound and why they sound that way. I’m sorry if I offended people who liked Moran’s recent things, but the James Reese Europe stuff in particular is so musically misguided that it just needs to be said. Just as I wouldn’t try to judge a classical performance, these old black forms require a more comprehensive understanding of how music was made in those days and why it was made the way it was made 

And this is  not some kind of abstract intellectual point of view, because the original music is still there, still available, and not to listen to it is like preferring Pat Boone to little Richard. The difference is that dramatic.

I certainly prefer Little Richard to Pat Boone.

I wonder what Jason would have to say about your assessment. I'd love to hear that debate.

[Dub Modal]

On a Braxton kick. May take a while. Is there a book that compiles all or a lot of his compositional artwork? Fascinating stuff...

[gmonahan]

[HutchFan]

[Rabshakeh]

12 minutes ago, HutchFan said:

Love this one.

[HutchFan]

2 hours ago, AllenLowe said:

My point  with the Trump comparison is that when it comes to politics, we are critical of people who make judgements with insufficient evidence or information. To me there are particular kinds of music, historically based, that require a certain level of knowledge in order to understand how they sound and why they sound that way. I’m sorry if I offended people who liked Moran’s recent things, but the James Reese Europe stuff in particular is so musically misguided that it just needs to be said. Just as I wouldn’t try to judge a classical performance, these old black forms require a more comprehensive understanding of how music was made in those days and why it was made the way it was made 

And this is  not some kind of abstract intellectual point of view, because the original music is still there, still available, and not to listen to it is like preferring Pat Boone to little Richard. The difference is that dramatic.

There's is nothing that says Moran (or anyone else) has to perform the music in the same manner that it was performed in the past. You might argue that a performance is unidiomatic -- but that's very different than saying it's wrong (relative to whose standard? The past's? Maybe that standard doesn't interest Moran) or ignorant (because he may have deliberately made choices that fly in the face of historical convention).

I love Charles Ives' music. A Frenchman recorded his Second Sonata, a quintessentially American work. But the pianist's interpretation made Ives sound like Debussy or Ravel. Was it idiomatic? No. Was it wrong? No.

Also, I would argue (as I have in the past) that comparing politics and art is a misleading and unhelpful analogy. Political outcomes can be measured; there are rules and laws related to government. Heaven knows politics is not objective -- but there are objective measures that can occur as the result of legislation and policy decisions. Art, on the other hand, does not work like that. What's the FIRST THING people say when they encounter art that subverts their expectations?  They say, "That's not art!"  And that's because the meaning, function, and definition of art is elusive.  

Finally, comparing someone's musical choices to MAGA or Trump is needlessly inflammatory & polarizing. So -- even when you have very interesting ideas to bring to the conversation -- you come across as a know-it-all who owns the the one-and-only "valid perspective."  Any other point of view is just "ignorance."  That is off-putting and disrespectful.  That's why people react negatively.  It's not (only) what you said; it's how you said it.

Respectfully.

 

Edited April 19, 2023 by HutchFan