Blakey's '65 Limelight sides w/Gilmore, Morgan

[Tom in RI]

Can't remember if this Blakey set was issued on Trip or not. If so I am sure I must have had/heard it at some point. The one I'd really like to see reissued is Soul Finger w/Lucky Thompson.

[Peter]

Well I'm seriously bummed that the Gilmore solos won't be restored. I've got a lot of top notch Blakey and won't be adding this to my collection unless Gilmore is restored. BTY, I'd like some recommendations on recordings where Gilmore shines and get lots of solo time. Thanks.

[ghost of miles]

Man. I'll probably get it anyway, but I had no idea that the Gilmore solos had been edited out. Why? It's very unfortunate that Universal isn't going to do any restoration. Guess the only hope now is that Mosaic someday does some kind of Blakey Universal-labels set (and a small hope at that).

[brownie]

Jack Tracy who is posting here might shed some light on the Gilmore solos editing job. He was very much involved with those Limelight sessions...

[jlhoots]

'S Make It & Soul Finger both produced by Jack Tracy.

Wonder if he has any comments on these.

[Eloe Omoe]

I'd like some recommendations on recordings where Gilmore shines and get lots of solo time. 

Cliff Jordan & John Gilmore, Blowing in from Chicago (Blue Note)

Freddie Hubbard, The Artistry of F.H,. (Impulse!)

Elmo Hope, Sounds from Rikers Island (Fresh Sound)

Paul Bley, Turning Point (IAI)

McCoy Tyner, Today and Tomorrow (Impulse!)

Pete LaRoca, Turkish Women at the Bath (32Jazz)

Andrew Hill, Andrew!!! (Blue Note)

Andrew Hill, Compulsion (Blue Note)

Art Blakey, Are You Real (Moon)

Dizzy Reece & John Gilmore, From In to Out (Futura)

Luca

[Rooster_Ties]

There's a bunch of Blakey sessions I don't have on disc, and having the Gilmore solos included would have made getting this one a big priority for me. I'm not saying it's a bad date without 'em, but Gilmore is what makes it unique. And without his solos, it becomes just another Blakey session I don't happen to own yet (among many).

[Peter A]

I'm not saying it's a bad date without 'em, but Gilmore is what makes it unique. And without his solos, it becomes just another Blakey session I don't happen to own yet (among many).

I might be missing the point, but not ALL of Gilmore's solos had been edited out from the 'S Make It session.

I just played my vinyl copy and at least three (out of seven) tracks have solos of Gilmore. Another track is completely focussed on Lee's trumpet, so I am wondering if really that many solos have been excluded from the session.

[Michael Fitzgerald]

The one particular track I was referring to was "Faith" - it was issued in an unedited form, including a Gilmore solo, on the various artists album "We Had A Ball". If we were dealing with the Elite series crew, undoubtedly that version would have been included in the CD reissue.

I haven't listened recently to check whether other tracks without saxophone solos were intended that way or if the solos were edited out later.

Mike

[mikeweil]

The one I'd really like to see reissued is Soul Finger w/Lucky Thompson.

Haven't heard this so far, unfortunately, being the Lucky collector I am, but I know Lucky plays only on one track, Spot Session - the title says it all.

[David Ayers]

Well I am with everyone on the absence of the Gilmore solos. That said, who knows, maybe they weren't very good, or didn't really fit the context? However, even if they don't work I agree that for me as for most people it would be a priority to have these.

[Dan Gould]

If Jack Tracey produced, wouldn't it have been his call on editing Gilmore out? As David points out, maybe they weren't that great .... its not like Gilmore was excised from the entire album, he has solos on some of the issued tunes. For all we know, the only edited track is the one that showed up on the comp., in which case, is it really worth it to hope for an Elite reissue, at $6 more, for a single tune with complete solos?

Paging Jack Tracey ....

[jlhoots]

Lucky plays on more than one track on Soul Finger.

[JSngry]

Isn't it Gary Bartz who's on only one cut?

[mikeweil]

Lucky plays on more than one track on Soul Finger.

According to Bruyninckx he's only on that one track, if you know better, can you please post details, for my Lucky Disco? Thanks.

Part of that LP, BTW, was on CD, Verve 516107-2.

According to Bruyninckx there were Japanese reissues for both LPs, but only Soul Finger saw a Trip reissue.

The Soul Finger - again, according to Bruyninckx - had one track with Lucky in a quartet setting, the remainder was a larger group with Lee Morgan, Freddie Hubbard, Gary Bartz, John Hicks and Victor Sproles.

Edited April 21, 2004 by mikeweil

[brownie]

Lucky plays on more than one track on Soul Finger.

Lucky Thompson plays on his 'Spot Session' composition only. The rest of the saxophone solos are by Gary Bartz who is uncredited on the album cover or in the liner notes.

I have the Trip LP reissue of that pleasant session. Sound on that reissue is just about so-so.

[jlhoots]

Thanks for clarifying this.

Gary Bartz' name does not appear anywhere on the Japanese reissue I have.

[JSngry]

I've seen the original Lp, and his name does not appear anywhere on it either.

But that sound is unmistakable!

[bertrand]

This is also Gary's first recording session period.

He also told an acquaintance of mine (and it's in Gourse's book as well) that he is the real composer of 'Freedom Monday', not Blakey.

Bertrand.

[mikeweil]

But that sound is unmistakable!

Yeah, it shouldn't be a problem to tell Gary Bartz from Lucky Thompson!

[JSngry]

It would be easier if I had the record!

[mikeweil]

But it should let you sit back self-assured that you would, if you could!

[DMP]

Aren't jazz recordings routinely edited? Is this a surprise? (Editing jazz albums is always an interesting topic.) Anyway, it's a good album (sort-of peters out near the end), and there's plenty of Gilmore. For me, buying the album when it first came out, the elaborate "Limelight" packaging was part of the deal. The Japanese CD issue duplicated the original cover, fold-outs, etc. (I know, the music is what's important, but those "Limelight" covers were something!) Can't imagine the new release will be this detailed.

[Stefan Wood]

Mingus' Columbia albums were edited. I remember there was a lot of pro and con talk about when they reissued them in an unedited format. I'll pick up the Blakey cd, regardless.

[DMP]

If you're interested in Art Blakey, I can't imagine NOT picking it up. (And, given the climate in the music industry, who knows how long it will even be available?) But it's not "Free For All."