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Yeh, Ya Ya makes me smile. In fact it kinda sounds just right somehow. I got to meet Blood Ulmer about ten years ago when he toured here and I know his band called him Damu. It would have been good to have asked him about his memories playing and recording with Big John. That track Bloodyun on Memphis to New York is so damn catchy.

As MG said, there is a HUGE breakthrough stylistically for John between the recording of Got A Good Thing Going and That Certain Feeling. I would describe GGTG as the last chapter in Big John's initial style. That Certain Feeling started a WHOLE 'nother thing. The musical feeling from that point on 'til the end of his life was much more open and free. His harmonic concept really opened up and as John loved to say..."put the whammy on you!" He covered a LOT of ground those two years, and I think the break with Grant really shows that he was developing his concept with other people. Here's a quote from John about that time.... John Patton, Feb. 2000 "There was something I wanted to capture in hearing Elvin play.... It was just another level that I wanted to try to get to. I had this concept of wanting to play feer, man, you know." Also, 1967 was the year John began a 6 year relationship with the Nation of Islam, taking the name Ya Ya (although he never used the name professionally). I think this also played a part in his musical sensibilities at the time. Well the man got there alright. But YA YA ya can't be serious. That's the funiest conversion name I've ever heard. Does that mean that Blood Ulmer was calling Big John Ya-Ya when he was in the band.

Yes that sounds like it could have been the case, and it does make sense that Big John must have spent some time developing his conception towards that beautiful and open modal thing that was captured on the Certain Feeling session. I wonder if the trio with Pharoh Sanders, mentioned by John Zorn in the Boogaloo liner notes was in 67-8 or maybe closer to 69-70.

So 4229 and 4239 suggest both sessions hit the streets pretty close to each other. Still makes nearly 2 years between recording sessions for Big John. Would the Liberty takeover have played a part in that perhaps.

WOW Is that so, I didn't know that. Imagine if they released GAGTG and left let EM Roll in the can after that.

How come such a long gap between 'Got a good thing goin' and 'That Certain Feeling'. Did this have something to do with Grant Green's hiatus from recording as well? By the way, the guitarist Peter Leitch in the liner notes to 'His Majesty King Funk,' mentions seeing Big John, Grant and and David Fathead Newman???I think,,, playing in Canada in 69. Wonder if that was about the last time that Grant and Big John performed together?

Urrrrrrgggghhhhhhhh. You prog rock heads all need brain surgery if ya filled your head up with that crap. That ELP thing sounded vile! Kinda like I'd imagine Jeff Beck and Jan Hammer would do it....or worse if it's possible, Beck Bogart and Appice. Sue em and then shoot em.

"Bop rascal" Bill's first on Savant is mainly a guitar/organ/drums trio, with tambourine added on 1 track/ Perry Hughes is the guitarist, Randy Gelispie the drummer (longtime sideman of Gene Ludwig). Very HI Q stuff. MG Oh great, that's good news. I thought I saw a personnel listing for this but must have been mistaken. This will be the one for me first up.

Are there any Bill Heid recordings with a Hammond/Guitar combo. The only ones I could find were Guitar-less. Would be great to hear the A-team perhaps. Anyone have any info?

Just discovered impending release date on a label called 'Groove Hut', Baby Face twofer of Behind the Eight Ball' and 'Mo-Rock' as well as another twofer listed as Grant Green 'Organ Trio' and 'Quartet'.....Heart rate went up when I seen that one....but it's a Re-issue of Sam Lazar's Space Flight with....guess what.."Iron City'. Wonder if their new transfers from masters. Will the re-credit Patton to Young on this one?

Love it, love it, love it. One of my favourite Benson on Blue Note dates too. The other being Taru from Lee Morgan. BTW, has there ever been a thread on discussing opnions on Benson's rare appearances on the label?

Groan from over here too, (Australia) where this kind of thing never happens. Bet Melvin Sparks was relieved at that second gig when the club started to fill up.

Just noticed a new one from Reuben is out. It's called 'Movin On', with Grant Green jnr. on it. Anyone heard it yet?

Don Cherry, Sympathy For Improvisors

Live at the Big House - Grant Green

Great info MG. I have Bumpin on Sunset on a compilation and that is off 'To Reach a Dream'. I've been meaning to try and find that one. A quick search suggests it's going to be hard to find. I am trying to find the Kankawa live one. That's around for about $45 US....Ooouch...I'II see if I can find a source for it in Japan. BTW 11-15 minutes is OK with me too. There is a clip of Jimmy Ponder playing Autumn Leaves on YouTube. There is a comprehensive discography at www.dougpayne.com that I didn't know about. So now I know the complete Jimmy Ponder recordings so far.

Ahh there's just gotta be one more example of Ponder stretching out like that....there's gotta be. I noticed a whole heap of sessions he did with Groove Holmes and Hank Crawford but I guess this would be in a different bag no doubt. Oh well... just have to keep on enjoying the Patton and Hill sessions.

A lot of good listening there. Be sure to look out for Footprints on Memphis to New York. Blood Ulmer plays one of the narliest tension-release solos ever. It would be great to hear what you think of these sessions as well.

Jazz Comfort Food I take it there are no Jazz-Lite options here.

IMHO too. Pitty Ponder didn't record more in the 60's. He's a monster, on this date - and on the extra Andrew Hill "Grass Roots" prototype date. Yes. Absolutely. Rooster Ties, do you know of any other Ponder dates from that era where he was able to demonstrate that side of his playing? I love hearing the Montgomery things he had happening so well, being put into a the more probing kind of context that those two sessions you mention allowed him to do.

Is there yet sjarrel. I'm sure you are going to love 'That Certain Feeling'. I heard it for the first time this year and it is one of my favourite Hammond sessions "ever". Apart from the great soloing by everyone, the tunes are really something. Patton's melodies have a unique quality I think, and this session has got some of his best. Early AM is a real beauty. So I am sure if you listen to this once or twice you will have them floating around in your head for most of the day, and that can't be a bad thing. And Jimmy Ponder's playing on this is just amazingly good. IMHO

Yes it was tongue in cheek...a bit to far if ya thought I was serious Soulstream. And I've been told more than once in my life that sarcasm is not very smart. Ignorant and disinterested Hammond reviewing pisses me off too though. That's as aggresive as I get.......I'm a social worker.

I think that Sharony Green's book on Grant goes into some detail about Grant's relationship with Leo Gooden. Check it out. There is some great stuff about Grant and the scene there, at the time before Grant headed to New York. Well I think so anyway.

In the beginning there was Jimmy Smith, who begat Larry Young, who helped begat 'fusion', (with some of his 'brothers'). Larry's other 'bruthas' survived by eating the crumbs off of Father Jimmy's table and begat 'nuthin', their music was repetative and harmonically unsophisticated. After the 'fusion' bus left for the other part of town without him, Larry had to return to the table, where he tried out some 'disco'. So it is written.

BIg John Patton seems to be carelessly and ignorantly dismissed in most of the sources that are readily avaliable references, (ie they're on the shelf at Borders). One 'very informed' writer say's everything you need to know about Patton's music can be discerned from the first six minutes of 'Along Came John'. Another writer, is it Richard Cook or Ben Watson, (can't remember offhand, it's in a history of Blue Note book), says that as the music changed in the sixties Patton went right on playing R&B grease regardless. Bullshit!!!! Difference in taste is one thing, but being ignorant of the musics references is another. It seems that to the people that get paid to put together these 'encyclopidias' there is just the standard line that Jimmy Smith was usurped by Larry Young and everything else is peripheral to that.