Chuck Nessa

How much is impossible because of sharity blogs and how much is impossible due to changes in the biz separate from the effects of these blogs? I've killed a couple of projects because of the blogs. Most of the other problems in the biz were started by free downloading of pop stuff, but this ultimately destroyed the business structure we all lived in. The blogs are the final nails in the coffin for the small guys.

Sorry if you thought I was talking to you Helen.

SS, you miss the whole friggin' point.

Here is one scenario (of hundreds possible “industry wide”) which will never happen again: Roscoe Mitchell calls to discuss the next recording project after Nonaah. He mentions he has ideas for a couple of compositions but they are not practical unless we can make recordings. The works are for specific performers and their instruments. The work to write the pieces is not practical if the results can’t be preserved in some way. He invites me to come to his home (in Wisconsin) the next weekend to discuss the project and show me his ideas. He plays examples of the ideas on saxophone, clarinet and piano so I get the concept of the pieces. We agree to make it happen and I agree to pay for it. After a few more weekends in Wisconsin we decide all is ready. Ultimately I rent the Creative Music Studio (between terms) for room, board and rehearsal space for the participants in the first composition. Roscoe, Braxton, Jarman, Threadgill, Barker, Favors, Moye and Ewart work on the Maze for a few days. We rent a Ryder truck and we haul all the instruments from Woodstock to Manhattan and Columbia’s 30th St studio for the recording. Braxton hauled some overflow in his van. After a successful session, Malachi Favors drives the Ryder back to Chicago (where I met him) for unloading. About 3 weeks later Roscoe, George Lewis, Leo Smith an I meet in Woodstock for rehearsals for the next piece – L-R-G and when finished we make our way to RVG’s studio to record the results. At the end of the session Leo and George head north and Roscoe and I load his instruments and the tapes into a rented car and head for Chicago. We had anticipated each piece being one side of an lp but this was obviously not the situation now – we had a record and an “extra” “half”. During the drive Roscoe wonders what we can do now. I recall his work on soprano alternate fingerings, overtones, etc observed while staying at his place, and suggest recording some examples of this work. He agrees, we have another recording session and we ultimately have a completed project. This sort of thing is impossible now.

Do you know if he rescinded that OK when it was clear that the Mosaic was coming out? Just curious. I have no idea. When, where did this happen? Just curious. There's a Yahoo grp/email list. Someone asked him and he gave the OK. This was about 5-6 years ago. :lol:

When, where did this happen? Just curious.

Not your life, not your ambition, not your desire, not your problem. Just me and the fucking blogs.

Who are these people?

Got 'em. Played 'em. Love 'em. I've been on a Charles Tyler kick for the past 24 hours.... Glad you got 'em. Nice records indeed. Charles was fine.

Thinking about changing my name to "Collateral Damage". Actually I think I'll ask Ann to put that on the tombstone.

When Monk was finally released by BN 'cause they could not sell his records, Prestige signed him and paid advances on the sessions. These sessions didn't sell well and (on the books) Monk's advance was greater than the royalties from Prestige. Nothing "wrong" here - it happens all the time. I don't think my advance to Roscoe Mitchell for "L-R-G" can ever be paid off. Not sending a collection agency after my friend, but I am not yet paying royalties on that project. Grow up and smell reality.

Crap, I thought it was a posie.

Any extra material from the period on this, or just the concert as released? Nothing extra.

You probably misunderstand Valburn or my attitude about him. He wound up destroying or losing more than was "saved". I guess I should not expect anyone to get it. My fault.

Oooh, I wanna hear that.

Never mind.

Saga of the Outlaws will be available in about 6 weeks.

My experience is the "bloggers" have little interest in the details. One of the most popular sites, where one of our most active members is a contributor, offered Laury Pepper's cds within a month of issue. Most Mosaics are offered there and they make a big deal about demanding "thanks and appreciation" for their efforts. They complain about "trolls" when owners have downloads removed. I have spent my life recording the best music I can and went more than broke in the process. So - some of them are not available yet and they seem to be "fair game" for "fans" wanting the sounds. Eight years ago I was $300,000 in debt and never copped out. I paid my bills and have started issuing cds of the music. Currently at least half of my cd catalog is up for download and those are only on sites I'm aware of. In the next couple of months I will issue 4 cds and before next year is over, my entire catalog will be available. I am sure the new versions will be offered on any number of blogs. I go into these reissues knowing I will lose money but it is important to me to get the stuff out there in the best versions possible (with the artist's participation). So, any of you "downloaders" send money to musicians, composers, etc. Folks like me do. Sorry if you want something and it isn't available NOW and FREE.

The answer is: The download creates a new copy without anyone being paid for their work. Not really that tough to figure out. Could that "copy" be sold in the same format as the original? No. It's a degraded copy of a used vinyl album manufactured decades ago and no longer available for purchase. If the guy running the blog was SELLING this item, then I could buy your argument. However, that's still not the point I was getting at, which is the moral implications of buying ANY used product. No moral impilications of buying a used cd/lp/78/ect. - the royalites were paid for that sucker. Format is not the question, content is. The content has intellectual and property values, the format is another question.

The answer is: The download creates a new copy without anyone being paid for their work. Not really that tough to figure out.

Can we address you as "Slide Scab" now?

Saw the thread title and expected video or at least some stills.

Geez Allen, I woke up in the middle of the night and thought it was your wife!

Not going to discuss situational ethics but will point out this is not legal and placing links on Organissimo exposes Jim to a lot more trouble than he deserves.