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I'd say Monk was the first person that sprung to mind, then Bird. Even the tunes he didn't write, I still associate with him. Scofield is a great thought! Andrew Hill too. Wayne Shorter's compositions also stand out. I think I'd also be able to blindly identify a tune as being written by Jason Moran.

That's true. The two versions that I have don't even look familiar after the first two phrases. I'll continue to work on it.

No dude, those are just North Carolinians! I live here, so I can say that. Seriously, back in the pines, you never know what you're going to find. There are some strange people in North Carolina, and American Idol seems to attract them. Seems to attract them from all states actually. I loved that quip from Simon, something about installing a sound-proof shower curtain. That 17 year old has to be the best singer that has walked in front of those three. They were in awe that talent like that could actually walk through the door.

Can someone lead me in the right direction here? I have a copy from LIBRARY OF MUSICIANS' JAZZ, said to be transcribed from Dial 1002. I also have a copy from THE REAL BOOK FIFTH EDITION, said to be transcribed from The Comprehensive Charlie Parker. Maybe its me, but neither of them seem to be what I'm hearing. Maybe I need to spend more time with the music... the first 5 bars make sense, but after that I'm falling apart. The two versions I am looking at differ hear and there during the first five bars, but beginning with the sixth bar, this is where the two transcriptions begin to differ a lot. Any help? Thanks!

Stories is good. Grand Unification is GREAT.

Cool find!

"Everybody" I know is also an exception then. I think the bigwigs refer to it as "viral" marketing. I don't think the jazz recording business is in the worst shape ever because of the advent of the CD-R. It is a convenient and short-sighted scapegoat though.

Where did Herbie Nichols rank on this list?

paradigms...

Double Leslies is such a nice treat. I am definately bringing out my other Leslie for the RD gig this Saturday. If I could, I'd bring it to Baker's, too. Is Baker's where you are planning the live recording?

How many of the musicians on this board buy their sheet music? Just curious.

I'm on the east coast and have Time Warner digital. I'll check to see if this is available. Sounds like something I'd like to see.

I also don't think Blanchard is as versatile with a trumpet. Surroundings aside, it comes down to what's coming out of the horn. I'll keep saying this, check out that Masada DVD and then tell me what you think of Dave Douglas. No microphones, no effects, no electronics, no producer, just a music stand and a trumpet.

p.s. I haven't heard any of the Masada studio albums, so I can't comment there, but the live stuff is more of a blend of AEC horn improv and Ornette composition. Not to mention a very steady groove backing. I'm sure others will say no, but it is seemingly less about the flatted-third than that exponential bebop.* *WTF am I talking about? Check out the DVD.

I don't know where you're coming from, but where I'm coming from, these two examples are creating a lack of respect. Yeah, its been done. Then again, so fucking what? If you only listen to music that's "never been doen before" you are going to have a lot of time on your hands. I think people give Dave Douglas a good amount of credit because he is a versatile trumpet player. Have you ever tried to play a trumpet before? The man has an incredible amount of control over such a stiff mouthpiece. Not only that, he can be a brilliant improviser. I said this elsewhere, but you have to see him play with Masada up close to really understand what he is capable of doing. That DVD does justice. Too much credit? If you are attributing him credit for "adding" fender rhodes and dj's in the 21st century, it is you that is giving too much credit. What do you think of musicians that "add" double bassists to their groups? Instrumentation is hardly the point.

Semi-related... I just saw/heard about this for the first time over Christmas. Really renewed my appreciation for Dave Douglas' trumpet playing. He's a MF, for sure. Still haven't warmed to his leader dates all that much though... Masada Live at Tonic 1999 - highly recommended! Joey Baron asks for a break so Zorn calls an extremely uptempo, like presto, tune with plenty of drum features. He kills it. The interplay between Zorn and Douglas is fantastic though. These four really seem to enjoy playing these tunes together. I'd love to see them again! Another vote for the Keystone project. Here's an interesting interview as well. Dave Douglas January 16, 2006, 04:14 PM posted by Dave Douglas Q & A: Dave Douglas with Petr Vidomus, Harmonie Magazine, Czech Republic. www.muzikus.cz January 2006. I heard that when you studied at New England Conservatory, the Carmine Caruso method was very effective for you. Can you describe what that is, why it was effective, and what suggestions you might have for trumpeters seeking to develop their own language? It is a pleasure to be able to talk about Carmine Caruso. He saved me. I always struggled as a trumpet player - the technique did not come naturally to me. Carmine’s method enabled me to find a natural way to make sound on the instrument and then apply it to the music I wanted to play. I still study with Laurie Frink, who was the top student of Carmine’s method and now has developed her own personal approach to teaching trumpet based on her own wisdom and experience. So, in answer to your question, I urge everyone to go take a lesson with Laurie Frink! She can be reached at: LAFRINK@aol.com. I’ve spoken with her about this, and she is OK with me giving out her email. I can’t recommend her highly enough. (Full disclosure: I do not get a commission....) Carmine taught musicians of all instruments and styles. First of all, his idea was that the technique of playing an instrument is completely separate from style or language. His feeling was that if one could learn to play the instrument in the most natural way, with the least stress and force, with a minimum amount of fuss, that one would be able to play any kind of music. I agree with that and feel that style is the mere surface of music, divorced from the basic demands of learning to play an instrument. Carmine Caruso's exercises begin with the premise that we are teaching the body to perform actions in time. The exercises are extremely basic, and he emphasized using a strict quarter note, subdivided, to break up each task into precisely performed actions. His idea was that by performing these exercises consciously and carefully, the body would find its own correct way of executing the notes. This helped me tremendously. After many, many teachers who told me to simply change my embouchure (where the mouthpiece is placed on the lips), Carmine got me on a path to at least being able to play consistently. I have to still practice a lot just to do that... Developing a language in music is a whole other thing. And it is equally, if not more, important. Of course there are many paths. When asked, my suggestion is that musicians should make up their own exercises as a path to finding their own language. In other words, no matter what music you want to play, you have to study the music that has come before. And based on what you find, create your own sets of things to practice. I also think it’s valuable as you write music to create exercises and studies that use the challenges of that particular piece. That’s the way I like to work and it is how I develop new musical ideas. You've worked with musicians as varied as John Zorn, Misha Mengelberg, Myra Melford, Han Bennink, Uri Caine and the What We Live Trio. Which collaborations have been more productive for you? I learned from so many people, including all those you mentioned. I still carry with me the lessons I learned playing with Horace Silver. I also feel a debt of gratitude to musicians Tim Berne, Don Byron, Mark Dresser, Vincent Herring, Joe Lovano and others who hired me early on. Currently fulfilling for me are my collaborations with Uri Caine, James Genus, Clarence Penn and Donny McCaslin from my Quintet. With David Torn, with Jamie Saft, Gene Lake, Brad Jones, DJ Olive, Marcus Strickland and Adam Benjamin in Keystone. Over the past few years I have enjoyed playing a lot with the tuba player Marcus Rojas. I used to play on quite a few pop recordings, and I learned a lot from doing that. The collaboration with Trisha Brown was also very dear to me, as I learned so much about working with the stage, with movement, with timing, and with visual elements. The recording engineer Joe Ferla has recorded at least a dozen of my records. You could say that’s my most productive collaboration. I love working with Joe whenever I can get him. The collaboration with Roy Campbell in creating the Festival of New Trumpet Music has been very inspiring and fulfilling for me. Roy is one of the great living masters of trumpet improvising. Someone I admired very much though I only played with him once was Derek Bailey. His recent passing is a great loss. I think the music on Keystone was heavily edited after recording process. The live production of the music on concerts must be really different. What´s changing? The music on Keystone was probably not edited as much as you think. The problem of mixing live improvisation with electronics in time is one of how to maintain the flexibility and richness of both elements. Making Keystone was for me very much about finding a better way to do that. It involved a lot of pre-production work so that the actual recordings of the band could be played live in real time as much as possible. Of course there was editing after the fact also. Almost everything you hear these days has been edited to some degree. But you might be surprised to hear how much of the playing came from the original sessions. When we play live the process is very different. My philosophy is that there’s no point handcuffing a band. I like to hear what people want to play. So we dispense with the pre-programmed, pre-created sounds, and create the pieces from the ground up. Ultimately my feeling is that if the themes I wrote are strong enough, they will hold up in these many different interpretations, while retaining their sense as compositions. What do you think, that Roscoe Arbuckle would say to Keystone project? Haven´t you been worried that you connect things and time contexts that are just impossible to connect? That’s a really good question! It has been fun to think about what Arbuckle might have thought about this music with his films. There’s no way of knowing, and he left no record that I could find about what he did want in terms of music. He probably didn’t feel he had so much choice, because the musical accompaniment was different in every cinema. I would hope that after a little getting used to it he might enjoy this music and see the humor in it. Some of the music is funny, and the way it works with the film is part of the comedy. However, I also added a darker tone because I was influenced by the story of what happened to Arbuckle in a way that he could not possibly have been when he made these films. What was the main feature (problem) in composing for the silent film? I think it was the first time you composed this way. For me, the main problem was how to have an improvising band play with a film and not be tied into strict or static playing. What interests me in an improvising band is hearing varied amounts of freedom, and identifying every player’s personality and contribution to the music. I think that’s what makes jazz unique and powerful. My solution was to write a series of themes for the films that we could use as a basis for improvisation. The quality of themes would match scene to scene enough that the band would be able to play without having to watch the screen and match individual actions. You have the reputation of being a voracious reader. What are the most interesting things you studied about the early times of film industry, Roscoe Arbuckle case and the social climate of the times? I was excited to learn that many of these films were created in improvisation. They were made very quickly, and usually released immediately to theaters around the country. More people went to films then -- if you can believe it, movies were more popular then than they are now. The downside was that as each film finished its run, the copies were often destroyed to make way for new releases. We’re lucky that some of these gems even survived. You´re going to record a new record with your Quintet soon. Could you tell us what´s the project about? What´s new compared with the previous recordings of the group? We’re going to record a handful of new pieces that are very recent. They deal with what you might think of as the new mainstream in jazz, an idea that has shifted a lot over the past few years. Again, in writing for the quintet I write tunes -- pieces that could be played by any musicians trained in jazz. This is a little different from how I write for my other groups, because though the players in the band are very important to me, I want these tunes to be able to be played by a more general body of players who are interested in going forward with the traditions of jazz. The re-emergence of Wayne Shorter as a leader of a small improvising group has had tremendous importance for me. I feel that the way they are playing represents, in a sense, a new paradigm for how jazz tunes are performed and how improvisation works within that tradition.

Who knows. 400 or 500 boxes could turn up one of these babies.

This may take some time to load... Billy Hart talking about the incident. I don't think there is conclusive evidence that Warne Marsh died on stage either, or is there? He was pronounced dead at the hospital as far as I can tell. Mark Sandman (Morphine) was said to have died on stage as well, but he wasn't pronounced dead until sometime between the venue and the hospital in the ambulance.

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I know this is another tangent, but do any of you buy used LP's and/or CD's? How is this different from burning a disc from a friend?

I'm thinking the same thing after listening to the Phineas Newborn disc you gave me! Thank you!

Pretty funny. Did you know that Decemberists are going to be recording on the Elliott Smith Portland Tribute? I can't remember what song they're doing. This may be a long shot, but Fresh Air did a spot on the folk revival. Talked about Vashti Banyan, Devandra, etc. and played a cut from a contemporary Argentine folk songwriter. Any leads on that? I can't seem to download the show from npr's site. They also played an excerpt from the recordings that Animal Collective made with Vashti Banyan. They sounded fantastic!

Thanks everyone. I am going to dig in soon.

Pick up In the Court of the Crimson King, Larks' Tongues in Aspic (or Red), and Discipline. Those should give you a nice introduction into the group's 3 most important periods. Guy Thanks Guy. I was starting to wonder how many "ignore" lists I was on!

I like the King Crimson that I've heard. Unfortunately I don't know enough to tell you what era it has been from. Any suggestions as to where I should start? Hopefully many of you are familiar enough with my taste in music. Thanks!