bertrand

If the Resonance material has any unknown compositions, one way to possibly get a title would be to go through the LC collection. A very time consuming process, but wouldn't they need absolute confirmation on the composer? It is of course a case-by-case situation. For the duet, Richard Davis could be consulted. Did they make it up on the spot, did Dolphy bring in some music, is Richard the composer? Reminds me that I think I had seen a title for the untitled piece on the Grant Green in France release. Someone who had the bootleg had a title. Again, this is not just an intellectual exercise, a composer needs to be paid. I will dig up the Grant Green thread later, perhaps this was discussed there. I need the correct title for my iTunes folder or I can't sleep at night Bertrand.

Now I am curious about the new tune. I was at the Library of Congress today and looked at the Dolphy collection. As you can tell from the finding aid, there are a number of unknown titles. Some of these are way more than leads sheets, with parts for various instruments. It would be nice to get a handle on all of this. I know a German saxophonist went through all of it, but she never answers my emails so I don't know what she concluded from all of this. There is an untitled flute/bass duet. I wonder if it is the same as 'Muses'. I hope I can hear some of this music one day. Resonance supposedly has 85 minutes of material. Bertrand.

Where is he in January?

Not sure how much the son was really involved. More likely is what you said, someone purchasing it all. Not sure there is an inventory. But whoever buys it should find at least a Grant Green and some Pearson. Bertrand.

Hmmm... So let's say another machine was running and someone walked out with a copy. Where are those copies now? Assuming they could be located, would these be a potential source for a CD reissue rather than the vinyl in cases where the master tape was lost, e.g. Jody Grind and Sweet Honey Bee? I also apologize for any naivete on my part regarding these matters. Bertrand. Maybe I will try to ask some of the Blue Note leaders who are still around if they got copies. Bertrand.

I wonder how they will package this, what with the comic book. I am guessing oversized.

Uptown got about 20 Left Bank tapes. Despite my best efforts and the fact that I had tracked down the phone number for him, he only told me about these, no idea what the others are: 1. The Blue Mitchell that was issued. 2. 3 Duke Pearson big band concerts, half of one was issued. 3. The Grant Green/John Patton that everyone is asking about. I suggested he put out the Green several times, but he never did. Not sure he ever listened to it, I have no idea how that guy was wired. How are we ever going to hear the Grant Green session now??? I can only see one way that could happen? I no longer do favors for record labels since they refuse to reciprocate. Bertrand.

That was my understanding. Perhaps 8/24 is the release date. Some studio, some live IIRC. I am sure a press release is coming soon.

Oh, I see what I misread. So it is not impossible that for certain Blue Note sessions, the artist and/or Lion or Wolff received a copy of the session? It seems it would not have been inconsistent with standard practice. In Coltrane's case, there was no producer to take the copy. Bertrand.

If Rudy made the claim that Coltrane was the only one, then I guess it is true. Surprised no one else would have asked for this favor. Bertrand.

I had heard a release date of 8/24.

I think I was told that artists would get copies of the tapes. That makes sense, since supposedly the artist had to agree to the recording to begin with. I think I heard that Jackie's own tapes were the source for the two Steeplechase CDs. What about his other concerts for Left Bank? This connects this conversation to the Coltrane one... Bertrand.

The story that is being told is that this was an exclusive arrangement between RVG and Bob Thiele. Bob gave RVG a few bucks to make a tape copy for Coltrane of each session because he liked to yo home and listen to the sessions again. No one else had this arrangement, apparently. I am not saying this story is not plausible, I just want to know the source. Maybe I missed an article or two. Bertrand.

It is mentioned in the booklet that it is the only previously issued track, but not why it was not lost, unlike the rest of the session. I could see a possible reason though: someone thought it was worth issuing on the compilation(s) mentioned above, and this happened BEFORE some nut job tossed the Masters, leaving only Naima's copy. But then why was it still available to be issued on the Live at Birdland CD? Maybe it was issued from the vinyl? There is also the matter of the untitled original that may not be by Coltrane. I have been brainstorming with Lewis Porter about this, as he mentioned in his blog. We have come up with several possible theories, but none provable or disprovable as of yet. This release has sure generated a fair amount of controversy. I have gotten heat on Facebook, especially from Willard Jenkins, the artistic director of the DC Jazz Festival who is somewhat overbearing and pompous. I was speculating on the possibility of other artists being able to take copies of sessions home, and he accused me of being a conspiracy theorist. Coltrane is the only one documented to have taken tapes home, but where is the proof that no one else did? A statement by Rudy that Coltrane was the only one (for example) would be the kind of proof I would want to read. Has anyone asked Wayne, Herbie, Sonny, Dr. Lonnie, Papa Lou etc... if they ever got copies of RVG sessions? My guess is no. A 'no' from all of these gentlemen would certainly be excellent, if still not definitive, evidence. I still think it is possible that Larry Young was able to give a copy of Mother Ship to Miles, which might have influenced Bitches Brew. It is a long shot, but I have not received any strong evidence to disprove this theory, only mockery. Bertrand.

The Walter Namuth was the only time LBJS members actually collaborated with a label/organization to issue the recording, rather than just sell or lease the tape. There was some talk of further collaborations, but that was not to be, alas. They still have a number of recordings of Baltimore legends who never made the big time. This is not insider knowledge, you can Google it, but the members have always been wary of being 'ripped off'. I am not sure exactly what the concern is. If someone were to get a grant to get the tapes digitized and cleaned up, they would have a better quality product to sell. Seems like a win-win to me. It is probably too late for that anyway, the youngest member is in his mid to late seventies. It does not seem they are taking on new members, I would be glad to join. They are not completely extinct though, they held a concert in November 2016 that was not well-advertised. The leader was saxophonist Eddie Baccus, I think it leaned towards pop-jazz. I would have gone on principle but was out of town. Bertrand.

The Baltimore piano was fucked-up too, it was part of their 'charm'.

The Lee Morgan was not a Baltimore Left Bank gig, it was organized by the DC chapter. The concert took place at the Royal Arms restaurant in Hyattsville, MD. There were about 10 Lee Morgan gigs in Baltimore. Some were recorded, but those tapes are apparently AWOL. Not sure what else is AWOL. It's a mess. Bertrand.

The entire stash of Left Bank tapes should have been preserved/digitized YEARS ago, THEN they could have looked into commercializing some of them. These record labels don't understand research, just the almighty $. Now it's too late, some tapes are lost, others are damaged. A lot of the ones listed above are not in the possession of the current Left Bank members. Some may not have been recorded. How does one prove that? I tried to help bring some coherence to this whole collection but my efforts were an utter, total failure. Being a 'nobody' gives you zero credibility in this world of egotists. Bertrand.

Interesting info, what is your source?

So does 11386 sound like a known tune to anyone, possibly by another composer?

Please don't tell me the Japanese version has extra tracks...

Is one of the takes of Vilia the same as the one that was released as a bonus track to Live at Birdland?

Why are they going through pledge music for this???

This is the one that might be by McCoy?

Yes, that is apparently alas the case.