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'Legend' is 14 minutes. I hear 'Dolores' in the first minute, 'Orbits' in the second minute, 'Sweet Pea' in the third minute and 'Vonetta' around the 4-minute mark. 'Dolores' and 'Vonetta' come in again, right at the end. Copyright dates are 3/1/67 for 'Orbits' and 'Dolores', 'Vonetta' 3/13/68 and 'Sweet Pea' 2/1/71. So in all cases, later than the recordings, and we know 'Legend' was written before May 1967. This does not really tell us which came first. I think these were all composed pretty much simultaneously. Last quote at the end - Wayne saying his music is open to everyone for everyone to play, students etc. Interesting. Looks like my input was not used at all. Just as well, I am a nobody. Looking forward to hearing everyone's impressions. Bertrand.

'Twin Dragon' is around 9:30. Bertrand.

'Universe' was just about 12 minutes. 'Condition Red' is the only quote as far as I can tell. 'Twin Dragon' is on next. Trying to figure out the connection to Atlantis - Wayne told me there was a connection. Bertrand.

Anyone else listening? 'Universe' is up first. The quote right at the beginning is definitely from 'Condition Red', not 'Sanctuary'. Bertrand.

Reminder - you can listen live on WBGO at 6PM EST. Bertrand.

Yes, Bryan Carrot was great. Any recommendations? Bertrand.

The exact title is 'Twin Dragon'. The other two pieces not played due to rain are not by Wayne. One is an untitled unrecorded Gil Evans piece (I wish I had more details on that one) and a piece by Robert Irving III called 'Havilah'. They played them at the Jazz Standard in July 2013. It's a shame that residency was not recorded. Drummer Kush Abadey was on fire the night I saw them. 'Legend' is particularly fascinating because it incorporates snippets from other compositions that Wayne was working on at the time. So far I have heard 'Orbits', 'Dolores', 'Vonetta' and 'Sweet Pea'. I plan to study the broadcast for more. There was one recognizable bit in 'Universe' as well. Several people at the Jazz Standard thought it was 'Sanctuary', but I think it actually was from 'Condition Red' from the Phantom Navigator album (1987). Not necessarily an anachronism in light of Wayne's constant reshaping of his work. Interesting that the arrangement of 'Orbits' that appears on Alegria (also played at Lincoln Center in 1998) and that is radically different from the Miles Quintet version actually first appeared in 'Legend'. 'Twin Dragon' also hints at themes from Atlantis; more work is needed to pin that down. I answered some questions for the broadcast as well - let's see how it turns out. Here is a downbeat article on this project: http://www.downbeat.com/default.asp?sect=news&subsect=news_detail&nid=2540 I have pdfs of two DB articles from 1967 discussing 'Legend'. Mark, PM me your e-mail and I will forward them to you. Hopefully this broadcast will generate offers for performances of this music and ideally a recording. There is a lot of scholarly work that needs to be done to see how this music fits in to the canon of Wayne's work. It is amazing it took so long to be heard. I am happy that I was able to play a small role in making this happen. For anyone with contacts in the business, your input will be deeply appreciated. Bertrand.

Yes, it's a Jazz Night presentation. I guess Wynton will be the first, and this will be second. Bertrand.

As I mentioned elsewhere, there will be a broadcast/stream of the Wallace Roney Orchestra's Detroit Jazz Festival performance. They performed three large ensemble pieces written by Wayne Shorter for Miles Davis: 'Universe', 'Twin Dragon' and 'The Legend'. None were recorded by Miles, and only the last one performed once. There is a full discussion elsewhere on organissimo. I found the first two pieces at the Library of Congress in the early nineties. Amazing it took so long for them to finally be made available for the world to hear. Here are the links as far as I understand it: http://www.wbgo.org/ This is for the actual broadcast, which is this Sunday 10/19 at 6PM EST and again on Wednesday 10/22 at 6:30PM. It will later be available to listen on demand (starting 10/22 or 10/23): NPR.ORG/JAZZNIGHT http://www.npr.org/series/347174538/jazz-night-radio Apparently there will also be a one-time video broadcast on 10/22 at 9PM: http://www.npr.org/event/music/347721112/highlights-from-the-detroit-jazz-festival If anyone can find any other details that would be appreciated. In particular, I wonder if there will be an actual radio station in the DC area broadcasting this. I'm very happy there will be a stream I can listen to but I still hope one day I can actually buy this music. Bertrand.

Wait - the discography seems to suggest that Shorter only appears on one track of the Shepp CD, and not even his own tune. Is that correct? Bertrand.

You are referring to the Marion Brown CD, correct? I don't want to buy a boot so we'll have to find another way to hear that tune. The concert would not be until 2016 at the earliest so there is time. The Shepp Doodlin' CD is available 'in stock' from several online retailers, and listed as being on Inner City. This is an actual pressing and not a CD-R or a boot, correct? Does anyone have any opinions on this one? Shepp varies widely, and he seems to play piano mostly (exclusively?) on this one, but the track listing has me intrigued. Is Al Shorter on all the tracks? The discography does not suggest otherwise, but the online review does. The song 'Coral Rock' is also on a Shepp record with the same title. Has that ever been on CD? Bertrand.

Update: The performance of the 3 Shorter pieces by Roney's orchestra at the Detroit Jazz Festival was recorded and will be broadcast/streamed by WBGO next week. I need to get the exact details. Too bad I can't live in NYC and listen to it on WBGO. I will have to settle for the live stream. Bertrand.

How is the Shepp album Doodlin'? A friend of mine may be performing a retrospective of Shorter's music and this one contains the piece 'Coral Rock' which I do not have yet so this CD would cover that. Also, what was the final outcome on Marion Brown's Juba-Lee? Was this reissued recently? I am also missing the piece 'Iditus' from this record. Thanks, Bertrand.

It's just been sitting there for two days - no music listed. Is it because I keep saying no to the new upgrade? Usually, it takes forever to download the new version and there is always some loss of functionality. So I postpone upgrading until I have to. Am I at the point where I have to? Bertrand.

The discography is slightly confusing - the April 19th 'So Long Eric' has now been issued. I assume it had been misplaced for a number of years. Bertrand.

I didn't even know Radio Shack had a label Bertrand.

Gene Ammons' Goodbye is I believe his last session. And of course, those Charles Earland dates with Lee Morgan were recorded the week of the last Slugs' engagement. Bertrand.

In Porter's book, he also points out that other members of the Coltrane family died young of a similar cancer, perhaps even his father? Bertrand.

Well yeah.

I was able to return the Mingus. B+N were very gracious about it. It's Atlantic's fault, not BNs. They have 100 of these in the warehouse. Beware of Atlantic! Bertrand.

Actually, my last paragraph was a response to the 'why bother' sentiment expressed in post #4. I think museums can serve both purposes, and certainly not exclusively focus on the work of those who are gone. But I don't understand the sentiment expressed in post #4. It's not too late for those who weren't around at the time. Bertrand.

And now throw Atlantic records in the mix. I just got Mingus Three Or Four Shades Of Blues from Barnes And Noble. The typeset on the CD label and the booklet sure looks photocopied to me. Has anyone gotten Atlantics that were CD-Rs? Looking at Amazon, their copy is a CD-R. I am going to be in a mall with a BN store later today and bring the thing to them. I plan to be firm but polite that this is unacceptable. At least Amazon has the disclaimer, and the Bastards make a point of saying when a CD is not a CD-R. Are these the only two retailers that address the issue at all on their site? I will never buy anything again from any online store if Amazon says theirs is a CD-R, unless Dusty Groove specifically has a disclaimer about that title. Deep Discount did give me a refund for the Lonnie Smith CD, but it took forever due to some administrative snafu. Bertrand.

There was a discarded version of 'Eva' at the FFA session - I wonder if that could be it? Bertrand.

I agree, but museums can also celebrate people and things created by people who have passed. A mix is good. If I had been around when Alfred and Frank were around, I would have done all I could to champion them. But I wasn't; any homage to their work is welcome, even if overdue. Some people seem to forget that a new crop of 'fans' pops up all the time. A 20-year old budding saxophonist who wants to find out about Blue Note is not allowed to have the option of seeing an exhibit because Al and Frank are dead? That's selfish. Bertrand.

Send me a PM with more info. Bertrand.