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As a sidenote, I really enjoyed Copland's first duet recording with Greg Osby, I think it is called Round & Round but would have to check later. Haven't heard their other recording yet.

Freeh's report was an independent report that PSU paid him for. It is his findings, given back to the school. Why shouldn't it say what he found out? I don't think he jumped to any conclusions, and based his findings on documented information in Penn State's possession, as I understand it. By all accounts, everybody else is free to do their own investigation, as Paterno's family has already stated they aren't accepting Freeh's report as the final word.

We're talking about it today because Penn State released their findings today. Today is the first day we've had a chance to read about it, and hence talk about the report. We talked about the case when it first came into the public eye, and we talked about it during the trial. That doesn't make any sense to you? Have at it. I just think it's a separate and perhaps bigger issue than the topic of this thread.

You've been essentially talking about a separate issue, IMO. Not the specific issue at Penn State, but trying to divert the discussion to something else. Your position may be valid, but it's only tangentially germane to Sandusky's perversions. I think that's why nobody's really engaging you on it.

This is a bulletin board - people chat. How is chatting about a topical event a waste of time on a chat board? Yes, we all knew what Sandusky was convicted of, but this report firms up how much Paterno knew and when he knew it. It confirms he deserves the condemnation that most of us felt he was due. I do agree generally that nobody is going to change anybody else's mind, but it's interesting to see how people justify their positions.

Happy (late) Birthday, Barak! All the best!

I'm not sure how you got that conclusion out of anything I said, or anybody else. By not doing more, and not doing anything very quickly at all, he enabled Sandusky. He also effectively enabled him by allowing him continued access to the PSU facilities with little boys when he KNEW Sandusky had been fired for likely abusing little boys. I hope you'd agree as a Debate Coach (or whatever you claimed to be in the past) that enabling somebody and being the reason somebody does something are two different things.

Is that a combination of Something About Mary and Chasing Amy? I actually like both of those, the first being (for me) a good stupid movie, and the second a good Kevin Smith flick.

Happy Birthday!

Dumb & Dumber is stupid good. As is.....The Three Amigos! Adam Sandler flicks, almost always not stupid good.

Blame CERTAINLY deserves to be foisted upon Paterno (and numerous others). He knew prior to the McQueary incident about Sandusky's issues, and continued to allow him around the PSU football facilities with young children. Surely he knew things weren't right for those children. Then when McQueary tells him he witnessed something improper, it was Paternor's responsibility RIGHT THEN to report it. Not wait for days. He enabled Sandusky, from the time Sandusky was forced to retire through and including the McQueary incident. End of story. Nobody is agreeing with your viewpoint, Goodspeak. At all. I hope you're quicker to report things when you find out about them than McQueary and Paterno were. For the victim's sakes.

Nobody's arguing that point.

I'd forgotten Sandusky had been retired by the time of McQueary's witnessing of the shower rape. It doesn't change the fact that it occurred in the athletic facilities that Paterno was ultimately head of, though. And Paterno had a responsibility to do more than just mention it to his boss, especially knowing that Sandusky essentially had free reign of those facilities.

Vindicated?? Seriously, he was informed someone on his staff was sexually abusing children, and essentially did NOTHING. Oh yeah, he reported it to his boss. And then watched as nobody did anything. And went on about his business as if nothing was wrong, knowing what was going on. Knowing Sandusky continued to have free reign of the athletic facilities and continuing to bring small boys around. He should have gone to the police from Day One, screw the "report it to the boss and forget it" mentality. I hope he slept well from that night forward, knowing that nobody was doing anything for those children, and any further potential victims for each day forward until Sandusky was finally arrested. Paterno was not the abuser, but he was effectively a child-rape enabler. I disagree with Ray above, he was an enabler. Amen.

I think you mean a correct call here or there? Seemed like all three OKC losses had controversial calls that favored the Heat, IMO. Just a coincidence, I'm sure.

'I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.' - Mitt Romney

Miami wins the Finals, the city of Miami is happy. OKC wins the Finals, the rest of the country is happy!

You get PMs from Chewy?

Who's the short guy between Ewing and Magic? I know everyone else.

Happy Birthday Kevin!

Happy Birthday, Bertrand!

Ditto to both posts. I'm still disappointed in my Spurs blowing 4 games in a row, but have come to realize how truly well the Thunder played in those games. Go Thundersonics!

He's actually not 24 until September! And he's that young because he was only a Texas Longhorn for about 3 months. But he was pretty clearly the best player on the court during that college season too, in every game he played. Check this out: Naismith College Player of the Year (2007) John R. Wooden Award (2007) AP College Player of the Year (2007) Oscar Robertson Trophy (2007) Adolph Rupp Trophy (2007) Big 12 Player of the Year (2007) NBA Rookie of the Year (2008) NBA All-Rookie First Team (2008) 2010 FIBA World Championship MVP 3× NBA All-Star (2010–2012) 3× NBA scoring champion (2010–2012) 3× All-NBA First Team (2010–2012) NBA All Star Game MVP (2012) ...that's not too shabby a resume for a 23 year old!

Happy Birthday, Ray!