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OK, let me take my run (or run my take) on this - there was some thing/non-thing about Armstrong/Parker/Monk/whoever that people dug. And some people said that it was 'cause they were "original". Which they kinda were, only there was a lot of other stuff that they were that 'original' didn't really get to and (on the back of that front?) there was also a lot of stuff that 'original' snuck in that didn't have nothing to do with A/P/M. So when people tried to get to and then move on from A/P/M, using 'original' as part of their mental roadmap threw 'em off course. Not everyone of course, Ornette listened to Parker in particular, heard what he heard, felt what he felt, and played what he played. To the limited extent that I can make any sense outta what he says verbally/in words, it's simply saying not to get hung up on words/concepts like 'original'. I know we've been avoiding particular examples, mostly, but I can't make any sense outta stuff like this without 'em. To tie into that other thread, maybe one of the reasons jazz needs to be 'saved' is 'cause too much of its audience and attempts to broaden same are hung up on achaic concepts like 'originallity' which is surely a red herring in an age when sampling is simply how music is done to them young 'uns... This seemed much better when it was still just in my head!

I wish I was hearing new stuff that was knocking me out, but I ain't....sometomes I hear new stuff that's close enuff for new to think that maybe it's out there, but no more than that, generally.

I guess I kinda sorta agree up to a point that "originality", etc. are kinda problematic concepts, but I don't have time to parse it all out right now, maybe I'll try later... I know how frustrating it is to post hoping for a response and be disappointed, so I'm not trying to be a smart ass either. Dana

"Somewhere there's music, how sweet the tune..."

No thanks, unless they have a category for overbearing wankers...

However, Chick Corea's "Trio Music" album on ECM does create a mutually exclusive situation. If you can dance or party to that album, you can dance and party to Gregorian chant. I respectfully disagree, at least as far as the Monk par of the album goes, which the part I listen to, totally dancable IIRC...thin I'll go listen, and dance, now.

there are v. few bands/artists where I'd want to hear every gig for a year even once, much less repeatedly, but this is it...a hundred years from now music students will still be writing about what happened in this band that year.

I'm very found of Hand Jive, the two bass desires albums with Bill Frisell, Mark Johnson and Peter Erskin, plus the live one he did sitting in with the Adams/Pullen band. Oh, and he did some nice stuff with Miles too.

Bobby, Welcome. I certainly enjoyed hearing you in saskatoon recently, both with Sonny and afterwards. Look forward to hearing Plays Monk. Dana

I'd love to get into Joni's box...

So what should they have done? 'Oh, it's Orwell, it's too ironical, so let's not respect the copyright holder's rights...'

There's a solo triangle album I saw on Amazon, never heard it but the mere idea wigs me out...

little shy of 2 hours, an encore would've put it there. pretty high energy, people in S'toon were pretty much wowed. Bobby Broom and the drummer went to the after hours jam at the new Bassment (Saskatoon Jazz Society venue).

Sonny's website talks about the Vancouver gig just previous to this, but not S'toon. The set list was somewhat different, Sonny did "In a Sentimental Mood" but no "Strode Rode" or encore in S'toon.

Fairly typical Sonny, energetic, good/sometimes great, s'tooners ate it up.

It's mostly reprints of various short bits from their past, but it also has Sonny Rollins, and Dave Brubeck reflecting on things by and about them. Interesting stuf, YMMV.

This is the only Joni album I rebought when my ex got them all. When I had it on LP I just listened to the first side, the rest of the Jaco period I find pretty hit & miss, but when it hits it's not like anything else by anyone involved. Saw the Shadows and Light tour, loved it, the subsequent live album not so much. I'm not much on confessional singer/songwriters generally. Can't thing of Joni without thinking of my late brother being nonplussed at seeing her drinking at the Ritz in S'toon. Or of how stunningly selfinvolved whe seemed when the daughter she gave up to pursue her career surfaced. "I wish I had a river I could skate away on." Was it Lester Bangs who called her unorthadox cord voicings "cunty"? Well, at lest he thought they meant something...

Great thread, I too lived thru this in real time and it was definitely WTF (mostly in a good way) more often than not, esp'ly On the Corner. Big Fun was a return to normallacy after that. Because of this experience I too tend to discount the legacy recordings discussed herein (most of which I've heard, at least a little), not out of abstract principle but just because they mostly don't move me the same way. I was impressed that the Yo Miles guys had ferreted out the tunes from recordings and live performances that weren't played, edited or titled in ways that paid much mind to the whole concept of 'tune'... yes, they are radical but I find much of the traditional verities in there too, just in new and unexpected ways. The one criticism/cavil(sp?) I'd have is that we all speak of this period as if it was one thing, but it ain't - it's a whle bunch of quite different things happening in Mile's music '69-75 and that's what makes the lazy claim that he'd sold out so w-r-o-n-g, if that's what he ws doing he would have just done Bitches Brew over and over, since it sold well, and whatever the later shit is, it ain't that. thanks all, and esp'ly Jim S. for making me want to read the forums again!

"played by musicians", which musicians & where? Some places/musicins it might be "Louie Louie" or "Sweet Home Chicago" or "Round the House and Mind the Dresser" or...

Love King Oliver, have the Music Memoria 2 CD set which includes the two duets with Morton. What always strikes me is how funky, in a specifically JB sense, the CJB is. The Banjo - Jimmy 'chank' Nolan connection is especially strong to my ears.

Ponder is also on Turrentine's Common Touch and some of Donaldson's on Blue Note too.

I, too, dig the one with Jackie MacLean added. I tend to think of this as Hank Jones and whomever rather than as a real band, but I haven't examined the evidence in detail...

I recently acquired Freddie Roach's lovely Down to Earth from another board member. in the original notes by Nat Hentof he does the classic 'I don't like organs generally but I like Freddie' shtick. WTF? Why did every other organ date from back in the day have this shit in the notes?

VB, Just saw this, so sorry for your loss and so sad that it was made worse than it had to be. All my best thoughts to you. fasstrack, What a nightmare, Kafkaesque indeed. All, What say we all read this and think about what's really important before we let anything small here on the board get us going? Love to all y'all, Dana

In a perfect world, Jeff Beck would be in the Rock Hall of Fame as a sideman and Little Walter as a leader, but still...