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O.K., The last poster on this thread is IT! (hope it's not me )

When Johnny Comes Marching Home from CRAZY! BABY.

I'm hoping Eagles but picking Pats.

Thanks!

I used to go to a lot of Tjader dances and concerts when I was in high school and college. He was playing in Los Angeles often. We used to mambo, pachanga, and cha-cha-cha until we were sloshing in our "spain" boots. His most popular band in L.A. featured "Mighty" Mongo, Willie Bobo, Lonnie Hewitt and Al McKibbon. On occasion José "Chombo" Silva, on tenor sax, was with the band, also. "Chombo" was a monster! Some of my favorite albums by Cal haven't been re-issued (to my knowledge) on CD (TJADER GOES LATIN, DEMASIADO CALIENTE, CAL TJADER QUINTET, all on Fantasy). And there is an album, whose title I don't recall, that has my very fav cut, "I SHOWED THEM". NOT the version on the Grace Cathedral album. Everytime I'm in a record store I go thru the Tjader section just to see if it has finally been re-issued. The Verve website had a Tjader section and myself and others were requesting that album be released. If anyone here knows anything about the album with that tune, it would be greatly appreciated. *Just a footnote: On a couple of occasions that I remember, Tito Puente's band and Tjader's band were here on the same nights. Tjader would play to a packed house and Tito would get the leftovers. I don't mean this as a put-down, that's just the way it was.

The Mann Act pertains to "white slavery", which is defined "as a 19th century term for a form of slavery involving the sexual abuse of women held as captives and forced into prostitution".

Yes.

First, Conn 500, I'd like to express my appreciation for your civil response to my disagreement. Thank you. I'd like to reprint an exerpt from BOXING GREATS by Steve Bunce and Bob Mee: "For Johnson it was the end of a long journey in pursuit of Burns and the start of his decline as a fighter. He made five successful defenses before agreeing to fight Jess Willard in 1915. He lost and it was 22 years before another black fighter, Joe Louis, fought for the title. Louis won the championship in 1937 and from the start everything possible was done to ensure he was not perceived as another Johnson." Respectfully, no black fighter fought for the heavyweight title from April 15, 1915 until June 22, 1937. I made no claims regarding the smaller weight divisions. But the heavyweight champion was widely regarded as the toughest man in the world. That was a point re-affirmed in the Burns documentary. Before Louis was allowed to fight for the title, his management had to guarantee that he would never be photographed in the company of white women, that he would never boast of his victories, to never show emotion in the ring, that he would always be respectful of and mannered in his responses to white people and the press. That's why Louis had a "boring image". It was demanded of him. His patented response after every fight was, "Hi Ma, I glad I win". All relations he had with white women were done secretly and out of the public's eye. His public image and his private image, however, were worlds apart. Burns documentary was very sketchy. I have other docs on Jack Johnson that are more thorough, one of these is the PBS doc that has the Miles soundtrack. Burns did not deal much with Johnson's exploits in other countries. He ran businesses while in Russia, played concerts in Europe where it is said he even played classical piano. Also, I agree the music in Burns doc was pitiful. Lastly, I am unabashedly a big boxing fan. I collect Ring Magazines, classic boxing films and have dozens of books on the subject. I believe boxing when taken to it's highest levels as exemplified by Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson, Kid Gavilan and Joe Louis is an art form.

The law, as described in the film was to make it illegal to transport women accross state lines to engage in prostitution to "profit" the person that took the woman out of state. In other words "pimpin'" out of state. Hence, the term "White Slavery". Jack Johnson surely was not guilty of that.

I don't get the point of this post. I don't think "we are getting only one side" in this film. It was stated throughout that Johnson existed in an "integrated" society during his career. It was pointed out that a white, former opponent of Johnson (who had knocked Jack out in 3 rounds), later, taught him the finer points of boxing while they were in jail together. Several pictures of Johnson and his integrated entourage were shown. I've watched part 1 again to confirm my impressions. However the magnitude of racial hatred that Johnson endured cannot be overstated. Lynchings of blacks occured not only after the Jeffries fight (actually white people rioted), but after every Johnson victory over a white opponent after he became champion. Sure he had his circle of supporters, but surely you don't believe that they were more than a small percentage of boxing fans. A black fan wouldn't dare attend a Jack Johnson championship fight. Why do you think there was a "white hope" fervor? White fans came out in droves to Johnson's fights in hopes of a white fighter dethroning him. Jack Johnson was so despised by white America that it would be 22 years after he lost the championship that a black man would be allowed to fight for the heavyweight championship. And that was only after the boxing establishment was assured that Joe Louis "knew his place". "Although charismatic and charming outside the ring, Johnson often behaved crassly inside the ring. He would continually taunt his opponents, but would also carry them round after round in order to dish out more punishment. It is true also that Johnson had to take his share of abuse from cornermen and the crowd as well; nevertheless, it is doubtful that Tommy Burns deserved all the physical and verbal abuse that he received." Why wouldn't Johnson torture Burns who was incessantly calling him racial epithets before, during and after the fight? It is well documented that Johnson taunted the fans and his opponents because of the verbal abuse heaped on him during fights. What would you have had him do, show some brotherly love? He was a boxer for chissake. And he retaliated the best way he knew how. If you are a boxing fan, which I assume you are, I'm sure you have seen photographs of Johnson fights where some ringsiders are sitting there with shotguns! In answer to your question about why didn't somebody do something to him, I believe they were too cowardly. And there is an account of an attempt to cheat Johnson. A fight was arranged with Stanley Ketchel, the middleweight champion. The promoter and both fighters secretly agreed that they would not seriously hurt each other and just go the distance. This was to appease the white Ketchel fans who fervently believed Ketchel was the best fighter in the world. Well, Ketchel double-crossed Johnson and knocked him down. Johnson immediately arose and destroyed Ketchel in a matter of seconds. In the film of that fight, Johnson is seen leaning on the ropes staring at an unconscious Ketchel, who is spread- eagle on the canvas, pulling Ketchels teeth out of his boxing glove.

Frank Strozier is not white. If you don't believe it ask him. My family is from Memphis and knew Frank's family. You might even ask Harold Mabern if you happen to catch him performing. Harold is always willing to talk about the Memphis scene when he and Frank and Booker Little, Phineas Newborn, George Coleman, Charles Lloyd, etc. were growing up. As for James Spaulding. That's a joke, right?

Wonderful album. Right from the opening cut, BIG CITY, this album swings. Glad it was finally released. Happy Birthday, Ernie!

Would like to see Jeffrey Wright portray Miles. That guy is a great actor! He's also a chameleon. He has been dynamic in roles ranging from Basquiat (sic) to Martin Luther King to the Puerto Rican drug lord in the last version of Shaft. He is also around Miles' size (I just can't envision someone 6' 3" portraying Miles). Wright would bring great talent and dignity to the role of Miles. I can't think of anyone else that could be more perfect for the part.

BLAKEY.

"A junkie walking through the twilight. I'm on my way home. I left three days ago but no one seems to know I'm gone. Home is where the hatred is. Home is filled with pain. It might not be such a bad idea if I never, never went home again."

The Egyptian followed by Sortie is a helluva one-two punch!

Slightly off topic, but Tower has 25% off on all Blue Note cds thru Sept. 25. Picked up Lee Morgan's PROCRASTINATOR last night.

The title track from NOW! is one of the most beautiful songs I've heard.

Ever heard of Armando Peraza? No conga list can be complete without his name. If you don't believe me, ask Carlos Santana or George Shearing or Al McKibbon or Herbie Hancock.

Don't worry about it. My experience has been similar to yours. When I was in the Army my buddies and I played this regularly in the barracks and we cheered along with the audience on the record! There would always be sides chosen between Lee and Freddie during the duel on PENSITIVA.

I'd like to echo the opinions of Jim R. In recent years I've been disappointed with the NBA players. Nobody can consistently hit the 17' jumper, which used to be called the "NBA shot" because if you couldn't shoot that, you couldn't play in the NBA. How can anyone justify the poor free-throw shooting percentage around the league? Instead of using excuses that the rest of the world has so greatly improved and that we didn't send our best players, U.S. basketball fans need to evaluate other factors: 1. Most of our young NBA players have not played four years of college ball, where they have the fundamentals of passing, spacing, shot selection, pick and roll, team defense, etc. instilled in them. In essence they don't have "basketball degrees". 2. Too much individualism. Everyone oohs and ahhs over how high someone can jump, or how spectacular a dunk a player can make. While players are getting better athletically they have regressed in knowledge of how to play the game. 3. Just because a dozen or so players didn't go with this team is no excuse. Are you saying that the U.S. is only a dozen players better than Puerto Rico? Let's get real. Remember there was some grousing about certain players being left off the original Dream team. Can you imagine the original Dream Team getting beaten, let alone, getting blown out by Puerto Rico? That team was on a mission. And that mission was to beat everyone by 40 points or more. And they did it. They were flat out better basketball players than the players of today. 4. Most of the other nations' NBA players in the Olympics were second tier players. With the exception of Yao Ming, I don't believe any of them were NBA All-stars. We sent a team of so-called all-stars. If you think the rest of the world has so improved, do you think that the original Dream Team of Magic, Michael, Barkley, Ewing, Bird, Malone, Stockton, Mullins, Robinson, etc. would be any less dominant at this Olympics than they were? It seems to me that we got beat by superior TEAM PLAY. One thing I don't get, though; why would Americans be happy to see Americans get beaten? I don't see where other countries were rooting for their teams to get beat.

I SECOND THAT!

The sound is improved; more presence, stronger bass and crisp cymbals. I bought the whole batch of the latest RVGs and they all sound great to my ears.

Met Big Black a few years back. He said more people have asked him about this session than any gig or record he ever made. Everyone asks him what it was like to be there. He said it was magic. There were many sub-plots to this session.

Has anyone else noticed a drop-out around the 4:35 mark on EL BARIO during Joe's solo on the RVG? Is this also on the older CD version?