Rooster_Ties

Here’s the whole album, in one 40-minute upload… …and the group played live a few times, it would seem. A live tune… And another… https://youtu.be/njrsGRYlKQ8

When I first started listening to jazz (in college), I was limited to a very few albums — so repetition of listening was the order of the day (and really my only option). I’ve told this story several times, but for the first month or two, I listened to just four albums over and over, by Miles (KOB & Nefertiti) and Joe Henderson (Mode for Joe & Power to the People). Initially I was intrigued by them, but with repetition, I began to be able to anticipate things, or at least the framework of the songs — the chord progressions and baselines — all became more and more familiar. And more and more they worked and really ‘wormed’ their way into my head. And as I got more to listen to, I was initially limited to just those 8-10 albums for a couple more months (I only remember the first four titles). But I think repetition is the key to getting into classical music too. I took a 200-level “Intro to Western Classical Music” class midway thru college, and much of it all sounded the same to me at first — but repetition of a few things allowed the specific themes to come out. The class had a a couple weeks of modern classics, and I’ll never forget how alien and bizarre Schoenberg’s Pierrot Lunaire sounded. But I used to play it for other people from time to time (“oh, you think that sounds weird, wait until you here THIS!”). But then, in a couple years, the first couple short movements of even Pierrot Lunaire began to sound very familiar to me — and since I was a singer, I could even ‘speak-sing’ along — as a sort of bizarre parlor trick. But then, just a couple short years later, I genuinely liked it! ANYWAY, anything can become considerably more familiar, and “aurally understandable” with repeated exposure — and I think my limited choices of listening material at first (when it came to jazz) certainly helped there.

There’s this live performance of EOTH from 1997, which I’ve never heard… https://www.discogs.com/release/14874566-Carla-Bley-Escalator-Over-The-Hill And here’s some footage of one from 2006… And this seems to be one from 1998 (perhaps the same ‘production’ as the one from 1997?)… Part two of the same 1998 thing… The general Wikipedia entry for EOTH seems to reference these same exact years… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalator_over_the_Hill >> In 1997, a live version of Escalator over the Hill, re-orchestrated by Jeff Friedman, was performed for the first time in Cologne, Germany. In 1998, "Escalator" toured Europe. Another live performance took place in May 2006 in Essen, Germany.

I know there were one or more later (much later) live performances of EOTH in full (or I presume damn near the whole thing)… …at least once or twice in the 90’s (iirc) — and maybe even later than that too (or any before the 90’s?). Anyway, I’ve only seen or heard snippets online, here and there, over the years — but I know there’s footage I’ve seen of at least one ‘new’ production. Have there been any other recordings released of any of these remountings of the whole shebang?? Or any long-form streaming sources out there? (Video, or even just audio). I presume some cdr’s probably have floated about too. Anyway, what’s out there?

Was Cole’s “reply” in print? - in a later issue of DB? Just pulled out my (my uncle’s) copy of the 02-Mar-72 issue to read your letter — half to read Cole’s response too — but I’m only seeing your letter. (Or did he mail a reply to you directly?)

Yea, thank you Jim!!

Yeah, do tell!

Ok, fess up — just how in the hell did this ever get on your radar??!! https://www.discogs.com/release/17854429-Kurt-Edelhagen-His-Orchestra-The-Unreleased-WDR-Jazz-Recordings-1957-1974

I have your book, Larry, and for some reason or another I got it in my head you were the possible mystery writer. FWIW, I could have sworn it was something (then) unpublished — whenever the post was from (and now I’m vaguely remembering it was quite a while ago, maybe like 2005, give or take, but something I only saw in the last year or two). So maybe something by @allenlowe then? Or who else am I forgetting around here? — (in terms of jazz authors). My apologies if I’m forgetting anyone!! Something (then) unpublished about Teddy Charles (it sounded like a short chapter, iirc) — in a post here from like 15+ years ago. Was it ever published? And how can I get a copy? (I don’t think I’d even really heard of Teddy Charles — or not actually heard any music if his, at least — until like 3-4 years ago).

Larry, I was JUST gonna mention Teddy Charles’ Tentet — an extraordinarily special and unique group, if ever there was. By the way, I recently saw in another old thread that you had a manuscript that included a good bit about Teddy Charles’ medium-size group(s?) — were they always 10? It was quite an old post (well over 10 years ago, maybe 15?). Did you ever publish that particular piece?? (If so, where can I find it, or what’s the title?). I’d love to read it!

Does anyone know how much Andrew Hill played live in the 60’s? — and just as importantly, with whom?

Anybody else from DC want a copy? I’m thinking of putting in a preorder from Dusty Groove (a new-ish DG option, which I’ve never used before) — which appears to have a flat rate of $3 for shipping, regardless of the number of CD’s in the order. DG’s regular 1st class shipping for one CD is $3.90 — so if three of us ordered (on the same pre-order), that’d save us almost $3 each in shipping.

Is this the first Mosaic set Scott (Wenzel) has produced? (Forgive me if I'm overlooking any of his prior production credits.)

I’ve seen this disc come up a time or two on Dusty, but I’ve been to slow to pull the trigger on it each time. How’s it compare to the whole Black Dahlia suite thing?? — which I assume(?) could be its closest cousin, in terms of other releases with Bob’s name on the spine. I often quite like Black Dahlia, but sometimes I’m a little lukewarm on it too — seems to vary from year to year (I’ve almost gotten ridden of the disc a couple times, but always seem to come around to keeping it).

Yup! If they did that with more (or all) of their sets, I would have probably preordered a LOT more over the years — but I realize the economies of every set are different (especially based on the size of the set) — and I’m not complaining, I swear!

Do you have the Bee Hive box? (I think it’s the only label-retrospective of theirs that I have)

So, wait, Annette Peacock already had the last name “Peacock” before she married Gary?? (Am I the only one that’s confused here?)

I didn’t know Paul Bley was Karen Mantler’s other father then. Interesting.

Peace Treaty is a really nice date — and iirc, the two bonus tracks are good too (even sans Woody), and a nice inclusion. There’s no one ‘iconic’ standout track, but it all hangs together nicely.

I had the very same thought.

Holy cow, that’s a square-bottom tie!! That’s probably a Rooster brand tie!!! I *love* finding photos like this out in the wild. This is great!!!

I wear and have worn a tie practically every single day I’ve been at work (at the Museum I’ve worked for since 2013, and also in a desk IT-related job I had from 1994-2003). Here in DC, I used to be the assistant to the executive director of a major DC museum for ~7 years (immediately pre-pandemic) — and now I work in the Museum Shop (where I deal with the public 90% of my day, every day, same museum). As many of you might remember, I have this huge collection of 100+ vintage narrow square-bottom ties from the 60’s — mostly Rooster brand (plus a few others). I’m not “Rooster_Ties” here just for nothin’ — and also on the Steve Hoffman Forums, on Reddit, and a few other places. Hell, I think that was my userid on the old BNBB, come to think of it. And let me tell you, it’s 100x easier and simpler for me to not otherwise look like a schlub, simply by wearing a tie every day. When I was upstairs (in Administration), it was always with slacks. Now it’s with jeans (incl. a few “non-blue” jeans, i.e black jeans, grey, brown, etc). It’s (the ties)… well, they’re my thing. My work wardrobe is infinitely easier to not have to think about (not at all, really), with that big collection of interesting vintage neckties to choose from. Without them, I would have zero sense of style. And while I’m still not always the most stylish person in the Shop, at least I always look a million times less generic (and more importantly, less like a schlub). Note: I’m NOT saying people who don’t wear ties look like schlubs. Just that *I* do.

Like that cover. Kind of an atypical shot, angle, and cropping. Really highlights the ‘pipe-work’ neck of the bari, which — absent the rest of the horn — is even more atypical than usual. Not an instant purchase for me, but if the reports are good, I might spring for the CD’s.

I would ask if we could find a source other than Breitbart… …but I suspect this entire topic (now) probably can’t be discussed without getting into partisan politics, regardless of the source of the story. I certainly have opinions, but I don’t even know how to start without violating the rules of our good host… and I most certainly don’t want to do that. I used to miss the politics forum around here, but over time I’ve come to appreciate the near complete absence of politics around these parts… and appreciate our host’s rules on this matter.

It’s not of a sound quality worth releasing, but somewhere I have an audience recording (from a performance at some museum, iirc)… …of Geri and Wallace (just the two of them, as a duo) playing all or most of the entire Birth of the Cool album/songbook. It’s VERY free at times too, very exploratory. All the themes are referenced, but it’s anything but a conservative reading. If only there was a good recording of that, it would be kind of revelatory. Anyone else heard what I’m talking about?