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Pointless, but kinda fun... Nintendo Cartoon Hour

Oh, you can click these links. Actually pretty damn cool, IMHO, you'll like 'em... What time is it??? (#1) What time is it??? (#2)

I grew up on the Illinois side of the river, but I think our house was actually closer to the Arch (as the crow flies), than some people who technically live inside the city limits, at the far edges of the city - down south and up north. We lived (and my parents still live) in Fairview Heights, Illinois - just north of Belleville. Both my parents grew up in East St. Louis (back in the 30's and 40's - they're both in their 70's now). As a kid, we went to St. Louis all the time - Downtown, along with the Central West End, and U. City, and all around the county. Even though I grew up on the Illinois side of the river, I think I spent as much or more time in and around St. Louis (City) as anybody -- considering how many of the people from the 'burbs never went to the city that much (from my experience in talking with other kids from St. Louis at the college I went to in the northern part of Illinois). I didn't ever experience much "night life" in St. Louis, however, since I was under 18 the entire time I lived there (from 1969 to 1987). PS: I wasn't into jazz at all either, when I lived there. (Didn't discover jazz until my college days.)

I might add that in the recent poll here on this board, I picked Patton's "Boogaloo" as my favorite Patton album (as did many!!!) - so strong is my belief that "groove" + "out" = "bliss". Then last night, listening to "Understanding" again, I wondered if it wasn't my favorite Patton - hard to pick which one!! Harold Alexander was a mighty damn interesting player, and it's a shame he wasn't recorded more often. (I suspect when Jim get's to this thread, he'll heap some praise on Alexander as well - as well he should!) And I agree -- Braith's contribution on "Blue John", especially for it's time (as pointed out above), is definitely a precursor to the whole "groove+out" thing. I haven't heard any of Patton's more recent work (of the last 20 years), but I've been meanin' to get Patton's "Minor Swing" with John Zorn (one of these days when I've got some more $cratch for such things). I also thought it was a nice touch that BN got Zorn to write the liner notes for "Boogaloo".

I was just listening to "Understanding" John Patton tonight (for the first time in quite a while), along with Patton's "Boogaloo" - which both feature some fairly 'out' (at times) tenor playing from Harold Alexander. But all the while, the groove is a sold as a rock, and deep as deep can be. Man, sometimes there's nothin' better than music that grooves so hard you can practically taste it, while at the same time - there's somethin' on top of the groove that's really freaked out. OR, there are some pretty damn complicated metrical things I know I've heard here and there (but I can't think of specifically at the moment), which are somehow also as greasy as hell, but are still a lot more complicated (rhythmically) than your typical grease. ( Or maybe both - at the same time!!! Don't I wish!! ) Actually, I included it in the title of this thread, but I'm not sure if I know of any truely 'mixed-meter' grease and/or boogaloo recordings - but if there are any, I sure want to know about 'em!!! What are your favorite Avant-Garde jazz recordings that are also really damn high on the grease and/or boogaloo factor(s)??? (Or conversely, what are your favorite grease/boogaloo albums that aren't afraid to go 'out' at times, while not loosing the groove???) [*]Surely everything John Patton recorded on BN after about 1967 qualifies, no?? (I've never heard "That Certain Feeling", so I can't comment on that one - can someone else??) [*]And every album Larry Young led on BN qualities, to one degree or another (and most of them to a high degree). [*]It's not exactly greasy, but Tyrone Washington's lone BN album "Natural Essence" surely qualifies on the Boogaloo side, as does Washington's even more obscure "Roots" from the early 70's. There are others, but I'm just not thinking of them at the moment. Oh, well, a bunch of MMW qualifies, for sure!!! And as a side-topic, can we also discuss why "Avant-Garde/'Out' Music" and "Grease/Boogaloo/Groove" go so well together!!!!

I still like it. Easier to find what I'm looking for, and it highlights all the sets in a way that should make it quite a bit easier for those not familiar with every artist from all the titles currently in print. It highlights the new Select series nicely. A little color, but not too much. Just enough to focus the eye on the names of the sets themselves. I still like it, and I like it better than the old one.

Music always wins over sports with me. Then again, almost anything wins over sports with me.

I rather like York's vocals, actually. He often sings with a "balls-to-the-wall" full-tone that I find really refreshing. He's not a screamer, not at all, but a real singer (in some sense), in that he vocalizes in full-voice, not (always) relying on microphones to give him his vocal power. I suspect he could fill a "500 seat"-sized church with his voice, without amplification, which is something I would guess many rock singers would be hard-pressed to do. Not arguing that he's a "great" singer, which is open to debate - to be sure. Just that I personally find his voice refreshing and honest, and direct.

'Poets of Action': The Saint Louis Black Artists' Group, 1968-1972 (Part 1 of 4) 'Poets of Action': The Saint Louis Black Artists' Group, 1968-1972 (Part 2 of 4) 'Poets of Action': The Saint Louis Black Artists' Group, 1968-1972 (Part 3 of 4) 'Poets of Action': The Saint Louis Black Artists' Group, 1968-1972 (Part 4 of 4) [sOURCE ESSAY]

A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE BLACK ARTISTS' GROUP

Artists and Groups from ST. LOUIS, MO (AMG, part 1) Artists and Groups from ST. LOUIS, MO (AMG, part 2) These lists aren't just jazz artists, and surely they aren't complete lists - but perhaps there are some names in there that might spark some more St. Louis oriented jazz discussion.

Not an answer to the question posed by the first post, but I just nosed around about B.A.G., and found another similar group based in St. Louis in the very late 60's and/or early 70's... Human Arts Ensemble So, anybody have "Under the Sun"??? How is it???

You know Jim, that "Chicago was so close" theory may hold some water, especially if there were already quite a few more active clubs up there, more than in St. Louis. Anyway... The big World's Fair in St. Louis was in 1904. ( My grandmother was born in 1897, and went to the St. Louis World's Fair, and she recounted some memories to me of the fair as recently as 1997, shortly after her 100th birthday. ) Your friend's theory about St. Louis' high-point being in the early 1900's may also have a ring of truth to it as well. I only lived in St. Louis until I was 18 (born in '69, off to college in '87), but I'm having a hard time thinking of any kind of robust jazz scene that went on in St. Louis. Certainly nothing even half as important as the stretch of clubs in Kansas City on Vine St., between 12th and 18th streets. (Then again, I didn't know squat about jazz until after I moved away to college.) St. Louis is a strange town, in my estimation. In some ways it's more like an East-Coast town, meaning it's more urban like the bigger cities in the eastern third of the country (and like Chicago). But Then it tries to claim some sort of 'gateway to the west' thing, when Kansas City really deserves that title more than St. Louis. (The "Oregon Trail" started in Kansas City, for instance.) And really, the St. Louis Arch ("Gateway To The West") should be in Kansas City if you ask me, and that's coming from someone who's originally from St. Louis. I also thought of B.A.G. - which I don't know that much about, other than it was progressive, much like the A.A.C.M., and I'm assuming it existed no earlier than the late 60's. That's pretty late to be developing your first 'home-grown' jazz scene/style. What about the 20's, 30's 40's, 50's, and early 60's???? Great topic!!!

A local buddy of mine gave me a burn of the new Radiohead release about a month ago. Best thing since "OK Computer", IMHO, and that's coming from someone who really liked (but didn't quite 'love') both "Kid A" and "Kid B". Don't hesitate to get the new one - it's really strong!!!

One plus (from my perspective) is the way they've organized the sets into different groups, like... BIG BAND TRAD & SWING NEW ORLEANS JAZZ VOCALS LP BOXED SETS BLUE NOTE COLLECTIONS JAZZ GUITAR MODERN JAZZ OTHER

My father and Miles Davis were both born in the same year (1926), both in East St. Louis. Both my father's father, and Miles Davis' father were dentists in East St. Louis. One was white, and the other black - so to the best of my knowledge, their paths never crossed. Still, kinda an odd coincidence, slightly – or I’ve always thought, anyway.

OK, FrankC, you must report back to the class about this one... I want a 500-word review, double-spaced, with no whiteout, on clean, unfolded paper --- on my desk within the next two weeks, or you're on detention for a month. undergroundagent, appreciate you sending this CD to FrankC expeditiously, so he has no excuses to delay in reporting back to us on his fortunate musical acquisition.

Hey, I'm a devout agnostic!!

Haven't seen it, as we're too cheap to get anything other than just basic cable. But I loved Sports Night (I understand the same actor, Peter Krause, who is the lead(?) in Six Feet Under was one of the leads in Sports Night), and hope to see it someday, perhaps as a rental on DVD??? Don't know anything about it, though. Do tell!!!

This is a quote from another thread... Dan, I think I might be regarded as somewhat of a music insider, but I have no idea who "Musicboy" is. I know there was some kind of controversy involving him here, recently, but I missed it. I gather that he is obnoxious, but that does not narrow the field much when it comes to the music industry--who is he? This came up in another thread, and rather than derail that thread with an explaination about who Musicboy was, I decided to start another thread. The name "Musicboy" gets thrown around the board quite a bit, and some people are asking who he is - people who either are new, or people who never saw the only one or two threads that he ever posted in. That's why. Hope that's OK...

Here are some links (below) to some of Musicboy's best posts..... 1. organissimo.org is a Haven for anti-Christian biggots 2. I'll be looking for anything here that violates the Child internet protection act 3. I'm running out of patience with this site. It is now bordering on violating my civil rights as a Christian. I'm thinking about having it shut down completely on that basis alone, because the moderators refuse to respect anyone's beliefs. This is No longer a norahjones.info issue now. I'm thinking this is getting personal, so maybe the dept of Justice would like to see some of the hate speech that's going on here? Keep it up boys. I got all day for the next month to deal with it. If the band don't care about us, why would we be worried about their fate? I wasn't making threats. I don't do threats, I always follow through when people attack me or my beliefs. I just do it under the law. So, if you want to keep playing big shot with me.. That's your choice. My religion is Christian. & you are now personally offending me, & others. I'm recording all of this, because If I need to go to the DOJ with it, I will. 4. I have no quarrel with the band, other than the fact they seem to think anything is permissible on their message boards, even when it breaks laws. Now people are getting hateful towards Christians here. I have plenty of proof logged, & I've matched up a few IP's & e-mails.

Phil Grenadier: "Playful Intentions" - Featuring: Phil Grenadier (tp), Kurt Rosenwinkel (g), Bill Carrothers (p), Larry Grenadier (ba), Jeff Ballard (d) OH MY GOD - "Playful Intentions" was already on my "buy it soon" list, but I didn't realize until just this very moment that none other than my favorite "currently active pianist that nobody's ever heard of", Bill Carrothers, is on this one too!!!! Hey Phil, how'd you hook up with Carrothers???? He's on several albums I simply love, and I think he is a way-underrated player. Kudos for what looks like a great line-up, and I can't wait to hear this one!!! FYI, Carrothers is a sideman on albums by Scott Colley, Dave Douglas, and both of Bill Stewart's releases on good ol' BN, plus Bill has a number of fine (but unfortunately obscure) albums under his own leadership. I don't have all of them (yet), but they're all listed at his homepage: Bill Carrothers' homepage (link)

I love the carousel sequence at the end of "Strangers on a Train". Simply some of the best suspenseful movie-making in the whole history of cinema. I'm pretty sure that "Strangers on a Train" is my favorite 'black and white' Hitchcock movie. Haven't seen it in 10 years, but I remember it pretty well even today. Maybe not the specific plot, but much of the visual imagery is still pretty clear in my mind, even a decade later.

Well, I did think of one other Joe release, and it's the only one that's ever left me cold. -_- AMG: Porgy and Bess It's not that Joe's playing is bad, but I just never could get into this disc, no matter how hard I tried. I think I traded it back a couple years after I got it - I'd have to look. In any case, this is the one Joe Henderson disc I haven't cared all that much for.

More Yatta!!!!!!