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Oh yeah, forgot about that one. Have to confess to not having ever picked that one up yet, but will eventually I imagine. But what I’m really looking for is a live leader-date by Joe in the 60’s. As it stands, all there really is live with Joe (in the 60’s) are 2 or maybe 3 short Horace Silver live dates circa 1966 (iirc), plus that one with/by Nat Adderly in ‘67, and one or two Thad/Mel big band things from ‘69 (plus the Uptown Dorham thing from ‘63). A bit, sure, but given how much Joe recorded in the 60’s (incl. tons of sideman work), I would have thought a few more live documents would have surfaced.

Not remembering that one at all. Can anyone come up with a link?

Long as we’re going down memory lane, I’m suddenly and distinctly remembering the endless verbal battles on the old BNBB (and some on AAJ too, iirc) — between the more open-minded listeners (many of whom migrated here)... ...and a certain few people who were absolute die-hard Wynton devotees / more musically-conservative listeners (some ‘fanatically’ so). I honesty never knew who was who back then, but am I remembering the username “Hardbop” correctly?

I would have thought that the relative “commercial viability” of Joe Henderson would have resulted in at least some sort of lost recordings of him being released over the last 20 years. But as far as I’m remembering, I think almost the only truly then ‘NEW’ Joe Henderson that’s been released in close to 2 decades(!) is that one Erich Kleinschuster led session for Austrian(?) Radio in 1968 (first issued in 2005). And before that, the Charlie Haden pianoless trio with Joe at Montreal (1989), released in 2003 on Verve. Is there anything else I’m forgetting by Joe — or prominently with Joe — released since 2000?

I’m pretty sure I mentioned it more than once on the board (and in detail) — but here’s one such instance... I’m glad I cut-n-pasted the info directly into that old thread, because it appears the source (link) I found it at 7 years ago... is no longer active. (I also vaguely remember later finding something with track-times maybe? - or else I’m just dreaming I did). Just for good measure, here it is again... =============== 17 September 1966 Elvin Jones-Joe Henderson Quartet Performer(s): Jones, Elvin (drums); Henderson, Joe (tenor saxophone); Moore, Don (bass); Hutcherson, Bobby (vibraphone) Inner Urge Isotope Shade of Jade ===============

Thanks Michael! I *am* totally aware of this, and somewhere around here is a thread that I myself created ~10-12 years ago, where I came up with the 3 tune names, and the length of time of the performance too, iirc. I also do have the one track (which is pretty fantastic), and I’m *thrilled* to hear that the whole thing is being considered for release. Thank you again!

Of that, I had little doubt. That's one of the big reasons -- despite the repetition of tracks -- that I'd be temped if the price were half-decent. I'd pay considerably more (per disc) for a good document of Lee's band with Billy Harper, but Benny Maupin's tenor work around this time was nothing to sneeze at one bit. It's a shame that almost no NEW live Joe Henderson has ever surfaced from the mid-to-late 60's, other than those two discs from the mid 90's (the ones with Joe and the Wynton Kelly trio from the Left Bank in '68). I'd really give my eye's teeth for some more Joe Henderson, contemporaneous to either his stint with BN or Milestone even.

Oh jeez, that Street Team nonsense. If I had a nickel for every jazz fan I met out on the street, just call me jolly old St. Nickelless.

I’m assuming the Fresh Sound is from another venue entirely, and the sound quality - while ok - isn’t as good as the Blue Note. If I do eventually get the 8cd, I’d have no need for the Fresh Sound (even if it was from a different venue entirely) — except for one little hitch, that being *IF* a live version of “The Chief” is only represented on the Fresh Sound (and nowhere to be found on the 8cd).

I’m sort of in the same boat, similar outlook. But another way I’m looking at it is that I could dump the Fresh Sounds discs (I’ve just got burns of those, albeit with color scans of the covers that a buddy of mine made for me - that I wouldn’t have bothered with, but he insisted). But I’ll have to look and see if “The Chief” appeared in any of the unreleased BN material — I’m guessing not, or otherwise it would have been included in the 3cd set — so maybe I’d have keep the FS burns after all, just for that. $75 would be a lot easier to justify, than $128. I’d also probably prefer cardboard sleeves for each disk, so the whole thing doesn’t take up any more space than the 3cd set — just package them all in a little box like the re-reissue of the Woody Shaw CBS stuff (the one years after the Mosaic). Over $100, and I’m sure I’d sleep on it for a few years until I could find a cheaper used copy, or else do without. But $75 I probably couldn’t resist for too long.

I’d be tempted by a price point of about $80 or so ($10/disc) — or maybe even $88 ($11/disc) But a full Mosaic-like price of $16/disc (i.e. $128 total)... would be a big “no” for me, I’m afraid. I’ve had the 3 CD set for 20-ish years, and I’m not sure I really need all that much more, though I do love Lee’s playing in his later years. A set with minimalistic packaging wouldn’t bother me, and a corresponding lower price would seem appropriate.

Either I daydreamed this once, but wasn’t there a European-based BN board for a short while? — same sort of forum-based software. I vaguely remember it being up within a year or so after the demise of the main (old) BNBB, but perhaps it was slightly later — or even preceded the demise of the BNBB (for all I can remember). But it didn’t last and certainly never took off. (Or again, was this just some fever dream of mine once?)

I’d consider getting this, if it were on CD. That short Miles at Newport set that Wayne got stuck in traffic for (in July(?) 1969), is pretty interesting, and I only wish it were a full hour, as opposed to the short 25-30 minute set that is is (the Miles I’m referring to, that is).

That one John Dennis trio album with Mingus and Max is his only leader-date (clearly), but what is the original source of the 4(?) lovely solo piano tracks tacked on the end of the OJC reissue (the one on CD) - ?? I’m not seeing any obvious previous release with them on Discogs (i.e. were they “previously unreleased” at the time of that OJC disc release?) (I don’t have that Dennis CD yet, but plan to track one down soon - I’m sure the liners cover it, if someone could indulge me? - thank you!). I’m seeing he was a sideman on a handful of other dates, but am I right in assuming none of them show off his contrapuntal dexterity anywhere near as well as most of the things on that OJC disc?

Enjoying this 1999 episode of Piano Jazz this morning, which is still streamable from a 2015 rebroadcast. https://www.npr.org/2015/04/24/401945018/stanley-cowell-on-piano-jazz

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You were one year ahead of me — I started in the fall of ‘87, and graduated in the spring of ‘91. Yeah, I got smitten with Miles’ 2nd Great Quintet at the same time as the 1st. And I was seeking out Joe’s Milestone output just as fast as his Blue Note stuff, right from the very start. So for me, Joe’s Milestone years *wasn’t* something I discovered later, but it was all co-equally absorbed along with his BN output, right from the git-go. I’m sure I had close to 75% of Joe’s entire Milestone years (dubs I made on cassette) before I’d even heard more than a smattering of 15 Blue Note albums tops (by any Blue Note artists, not just Joe). You see, there weren’t ANY Blue Notes up in the college radio station’s music library, but they did have most of Joe’s Milestone LP’s. So Joe’s entire Milestone output (well, most of it) was VERY formative in my early, EARLIEST jazz listening. Hell, I might(?) have even heard all those Joe Milestone albums before I ever heard Bitches Brew, come to think of it (though Jack Johnson was another Miles 70’s date I did hear/get pretty darn early — a good year or two before I ever heard Bitches Brew).

Black Narcissus (released in Jan 1977 - Joe’s last Milestone album), is right the hell up there too. But I agree, Multiple is one of Joe’s very finest specifically from the 70’s. Though really, that entire Joe ‘Milestone’ box is one of my all-time favorite boxes ever! — out of close to 25 similarly sized Jazz boxes I own. Joe was killin’ after he left Blue Note. Power To The People (1969) was one of the first four (4) jazz albums I ever owned (along with Mode For Joe, plus KOB and Nefertiti) — and I listened to those four albums on endless repeat dozens of times each, for about 4-6 weeks right after I got them (I had them as cassette dubs at the time). This was roughly my junior year in college, circa 1989. Then I picked up Multiple on CD not too much after that, my senior year (around 1990) — and I also made cassette dubs of about 3-4 other of Joe’s Milestone albums, all borrowed from the college radio station. I never could keep the album titles straight, but I listened to them a ton too.

Question: Was the Joe Henderson the only Milestone box-set they ever did? I always wished they’d have done a similar McCoy box, but the odds of that now are slim to none.

Tom here, Bertrand. Not sure if the acetate(s) even exist any more — the video trailer for that album says the source was a tape (presumably reel) of an acetate — and I’m assuming the acetate(s) either are long lost, or else not playable any longer (or in worse shape than the tape). I’m assuming the tape was made decades ago — or at least not recently (how long ago would be totally conjecture).

I assume the acetate is essentially contemporaneous to the 1965 session. But was the tape of it also from that era, or much later? — and how much later? (And was the tape used, because the acetates were lost? — or because they were essentially unusable??) And I presume, the tape was reel-to-reel? And was the source of the reel then presumably Odean? Many thanks for your insights on this, and anything else you’d care to share. Another question: is Odean on every track / every take? Or are there any piano-trio tracks (not unlike, perhaps, Andrew Hill’s Blackfire). Thanks again!!

Hello!! Good to have you back on the board! (And I think we have a friend in common, in Kansas City.) I’m so incredibly excited about this news, and March 5th can’t get here quick enough. Literally counting the days (only 81, as of today). Hey, since you can ID the 2 specific tune names in that trailer clip, what else can you tell us about this session? Like about how long is it? - including the 3 alternates. And/or is there anything else you can tell us about it?

Seeing this McCoy quote mystery thread again, I’m not remembering ever having seen this post about John Dennis — a name I’m also not recalling in the slightest... and a quick google search of course leads back to an Organissimo thread. NOT the first time that’s ever happened too, btw — me googling a number of obscure jazz artist names, only to discovering one of the top 10 or even too 5(!) search hits is an Organissimo thread!

Semi-serious question (really!) — which is more rare... 1) curved sopranos? or... 2 (collectively speaking, meaning both of these together, combined) straight altos and straight tenors?