Rooster_Ties

Love, love, love that Albert Mangelsdorff Quartet date (Never Let It End). The title-track is probably the best of anything from the 70's that I've heard by him (comparable to several equally amazing 60's leader-dates of his, which are all spectacular, top to bottom). Had to pay a pretty penny for this 5-disc set, just to get this album on CD - but it was worth it (3 of the other 4 albums were all really great too, if all quite stylistically different from each other)... https://www.discogs.com/Albert-Mangelsdorff-Originals-Vol1/release/4267753

I could see getting this, even for a little cost. It is Woody, after all -- one of the only artists I'm still kind of a completist about (mostly). Like, I actually ditched a small handful of Andrew Hill and Joe Henderson CD's when I had to downsize almost 10 years ago (not lots, but maybe 10% each). But I've practically never gotten rid of anything with... or especially by Woody Shaw.

Yeah, that's kind of what I was seeing too. I'm hoping they'll either 1) send me a real CD at the $12 price I ordered it at (even if it was one of the other listings, perhaps higher priced -- but I'd like them to honor the price I paid). The other prices are close to double (or more!). Or 2) if they want to credit me my $12, and let me keep the CDR -- I'd be fine with that too. But I'm expecting the worst case, which is either keep what I got (no refund), or send it back (full refund). Those are certainly the "automated" options. Maybe if I can talk to a real person -- or go through a 'chat' -- I'm hoping maybe I can maybe get a better outcome. I'll mess with it this weekend sometime. Thanks for all the links and phone-contact info everyone, and any other advice. It's a nifty date -- sort of "free-jazz"-leaning covers of super-early Pink Floyd (Syd Barrett-era) tunes, and Syd solo tunes (more solo-Syd than Floyd, unfortunately, but it's all good). Trumpet, guitar, and drums. Here's they are (were) live, back in 2009...

I must have copied the wrong numbers for one of the sets from my badly scrawled notes. It was a very long day at work yesterday. I'll have to check tonight. I'm practically positive it was two different sets of prices (and 3rd-party venders). Thank you. Somehow I couldn't seem to find this page yesterday, again it was a long day.

But where do you access the on-line chat function? I looked for about 10 minutes earlier, and for the life of me I couldn’t find any recourse other than their automated return process. That said, I’m glad to give them a phone call (thanks Jim for that number!), probably this weekend when I have a little more time. Thx again!

I just got a CDR in the mail from Amazon, of this title (link below) -- which I can find absolutely no mention of it being a CDR on Amazon's listing. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001L4LAC6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00 Is my only recourse to go through their automatic return robots, which generates a mailing label to send it back to them? There appear to be other instances of the same title coming up as being available on CD -- but only when I interface through Amazon's app on my phone (I'm not seeing the same options when I got through the web-interface on my laptop). And before you say those are various new/used copies from third-party sellers (and they are), the thing is that NONE of the other buying options (and prices) I'm seeing through the Amazon app interface match any of the seller names (and prices) that show on the web-interface. When I do pull it up on my laptop, there is a link that says "5 formats and editions" and the prices/options on my phone are priced: $11.99 (doesn't say CDR, but this is the CDR version I got), $18.10, $26.85, $30.37, plus the MP3 edition for $9.49 (equals *5* formats and editions total). But on the web-interface on my laptop, the options are $11.99 (CDR, doesn't say CDR though), $18.10, $26.85, and $30.37, plus the MP3 edition for $9.49. You might notice that NONE of the non-CDR, non-MP3 versions match in price (or what I'm hoping are non-CDR versions). And oddly enough, the versions through my phone all have "in-stock" inventories of variously 4, 5, or 6 copies available (whereas on the web-version on my laptop) none of the other 3rd-party seller listings have inventory # listened (so I guess it's "1" that's in-stock?). AND none of the 3rd-party seller names on the Amazon app listings, match ANY of the names of the 3rd-party sellers on the web-interface listings (and none of the prices match at all, as you can see above). I won't type out all the names, but none of the seller-names are even remotely similar. Is there any way to "chat" with anyone at Amazon about any of this? -- or is it all just automated, and my only recourse is to return it (and get a mailing label from them). Ideally I'd like to plead my case that I was sent the wrong item -- a CDR, when what I ordered (based on how it was listed) was a real CD -- and I'd like them to honor the $11.99 price I paid for what was supposed to be a CDR -- and have them send one of the other ones. (Wishful thinking, I know.) But I can't find ANY way to bring up a "chat" with customer service type thing. The only other return I ever had with Amazon was about 2 years ago (this month), for something I'd bought about 2 months before (so it was outside of their 30-day window), but I only opened the item on Jan 1st (and it was defective). It was my annual replacement rotary blades for my razor, which I start a new set of every year (on Jan 1), and the interface did give me a way to chat about it (I guess cuz it was over 30 days). Turns out they had LOTS, and LOTS of returns on those rotary razor blades (and dozens of complaints in the reviews of the item too), so they did let me return them. But this is different, because I don't want a replacement for the same item -- I want them to send me a real CD (instead of a CDR) at the price they had listed for what was supposed to be a real CD. I guess my only option is to return it, but in a perfect world, if any of their other inventory is actual CD's, I'd like to make a case for getting a replacement item from that inventory. (But I suppose I'm fucked.) Just venting, more than anything. Guess I've got 30 days to mull it over -- whether to just keep it, and go on -- or return it. I sure as hell don't want to pay twice as much for something that may (or may not) actually be a real CD, and would rather have Amazon send me one of the other ones at the price they offered. Oh well, enough of my yappin'. If anyone has any magic advice, that'd be awesome, though I fear there's none to be had.

I really need to check this out. Certainly enjoyed the film, if it was a little bit on the "Hollywood" side.

I only have a good smattering of Rush on CD -- all 3 vols of the Retrospective comps, plus 3 of their 80's studio albums, and one live album (late 80's). Really some amazing music, imho. I'm not as much of a fan of their 70's output (Geddy's voice is a bit more abrasive, but I think it mellowed considerably by the 80's, and beyond) -- but really almost any random Rush from 1980 or after is generally a pretty positive thing in my book. I'm a 'music' person, first and foremost, so generally lyrics are almost always very secondary in my book. But I would honestly count Rush's lyrics as being "above average", at least in terms of being interesting and something out of the ordinary. I wouldn't quite count them among my personal "top 20" rock/pop/alternative acts -- but I could easily see 'binging' on Rush someday (probably via Pandora), and the quality of the more recent half of their catalog could easily put them up in my top-20 (at some point). I'm the same way with Yes probably as well, a band of similar musicianship -- and frankly, I think Rush's lyrics are better than those of Yes. There's an energy to most of Rush's music that I find very positive. Most of it has a LOT of strong, forward momentum - largely due to Peart's really extraordinary musicianship. There's a LOT going on, but I don't think he chronically "overplays" most of the time (sometimes, maybe? - but it never seems so busy that I'm like "why?"). And in terms of rock bands that were TRIOS -- Rush would have to be top-5 in my book, beyond any shadow of a doubt, maybe top-3 (Hendrix and The Police being the other two obvious candidates -- I'm not a big Cream fan, I'm afraid). Interesting that as quiet and unassuming Peart was in real life (and interviews) -- in many ways I think Rush was the rare rock trio where both the bass-player and drummer outshined the guitarist? -- the only other arguable example perhaps being The Police (though I've always felt like they were very much a band of 3 very strong equals). I think I'll set up a Pandora Rush station (something I'm surprised I've never done), put it on "deeper cuts" mode, and let that serve me up a bunch of Rush I've probably never heard. I'll bet within 2 years, I'll have expanded my meager Rush CD collection 2 or 3 fold. Really quite a band. Cerebral, and not all about testosterone and machismo -- or certainly a DIFFERENT kind of testosterone. Wish I'd seen them live, but I never got around to it. RIP.

Just bumping an old thread, as I saw one of these Boykins tunes posted on Reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/Jazz/comments/enxnsh/ronnie_boykins_the_will_come_is_now_1975/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Love Mal in the mid-to-late 60's and most of the 70's - solo, trio, larger groups, you name it!! And I "like" him before the mid-60's, but not obsessively (and only just so much). But much as I've tried (and despite my loving Woody Shaw probably 90% of the time), I've never really warmed to The Git-Go, or Seaguls (much as I've tried). Nor, One Entrance, Many Exits (despite my love of Joe Henderson as much as Woody Shaw). Which is REALLY odd, since I love Woody and Joe so damn much -- but then how it is that I don't connect too well with their appearances with Mal Waldon? (who I love so much circa 1966-78) -- is just confounding. Maybe I should try again (been at least 10 years since I've heard any of those, but I've tried several times with all three, including back in college in the early 90's). (I also can't get with Andrew Hill's Shades either, which is also from around that same timeframe -- but I overwise love Clifford Jordan (who's on that Hill date). Weirdest thing, but the reasons why (though elusive), feel very similar... is the only reason I mention the Hill date -- but I digress.) I kinda feel like Mal really starts speaking to me the strongest in 1969, and I can start to hear some of that on the one 1966 trio thing I have by him (the one with the all--Italian rhythm section) -- but then somewhere around 1980 he loses me (or I lose him).

LIFO vs FIFO?

I totally hear you. Since my wife and I moved to central Washington DC back in 2011, we haven't owned a car -- and only occasionally do Zip Car (which is a rent-by-the-hour sort of deal). So we only drive about 4-5 times a year, often for just 2-3 or maybe a 4-day weekend away. And 90% of the Zip Cars don't have CD players any more (sad-emoji). One of my favorite things was to pick out 32 or 36 CD's for a given trip (that's how many discs the CD cases I had held), and then my wife would pick out whatever she liked from that selection. I always included things I knew she liked, and things I thought she would like (but hadn't heard yet). Rock/alternative, jazz, and classical. But one think I discovered a long time ago, was that *cello* concerti were to be avoided at all cost (for car listening), because the volume of the most exposed solo cello parts would often be less than the overall recording (when the orchestra was playing more full), yet with the road noise in the car, that usually was at a frequency range that really made the cello a lot larder to hear. Likewise, cello sonatas too -- just anything with a lot going on down there (as the most prominent thing). When we go visit my Dad, he still has a CD-player in his car (a 2005 Olds), and we drive it to Kansas City (from St. Louis) every Christmas, and also about 3 hours north of St. Louis every Thanksgiving -- so I still get to pack a selection of CD's for those trips. And every once in a blue moon a Zip Car here in DC will have a CD player -- though 90% of the time, lately, I haven't realized that until we're just getting in the car to go on our trip, so I didn't think to pack CD's. Any more, we have to rely on Pandora in the car, for our Zip Car trips, which is OK and kinda fun, especially since Pandora has "deep cuts" and "discovery modes" now, which change up the listening a whole lot better than just standard Pandora used to.

IIRC, all those pics seemed to come from a webpage by the designer of all that glorious packaging. Maybe contact him or her directly, and ask for advice on purchasing a phyiscal copy? They may be able to put you in contact with their contacts within the band, if nothing else, and you could ask then directly?

I don't have much, but I really love his debut leader-date (an unconventional piano trio album), from 1964 -- called Dream Talk. https://www.discogs.com/Wolfgang-Dauner-Trio-Dream-Talk/master/232003 All originals, save for a mighty tasty version of "Bird Talk" by Ornette. Here are three tracks from the album... You can hear the entire album from this YouTube playlist, followed by a couple stand-out tracks embedded below... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nMFKPSTvSn0FOU6KoWzbN_aHN3rRlgWPk And here's the Ornette tune.

Seeing about 10 listed here (link below), the earliest being from 1986, then two from the 90's, and the rest from after 2000. https://www.louisarmstronghouse.org/books/ But I would have expected a small handful of earlier books too, no? - hard to believe the very first book on Pops coming from the late 80's. Overall, I think I would have expected something more like maybe 15 total? - not just 10. I'm sure there are at least 10 books on Miles Davis (if not slightly more even), so perhaps there's more about Miles than Armstrong.

Trane, Miles, and Bird probably in that same (next) tier.

Armstrong and Ellington, would be my guess.

Saw this on the Hoffman forums, and it's so true! (from Bob Mould/Superchunk drummer Jon Wurster)

Well, look what I found... ...and my curiosity is officially sated (and this is probably about what I was expecting -- i.e. something sorta like "Rampage" above).

I can't wait to get impacted by the new track!! All kidding aside, I am genuinely semi-curious to hear the new "Hail To The Real Chief", with my expectations kept very firmly in check. And I'm reminded of this Miles curiosity, by Marcus Miller (circa 1993), which does have some real Miles included as well, ex post facto (though from exactly when, I don't know that I've ever heard/read). Does anybody know anything more about this track "Rampage"? - other than what's listed in this Discogs breakdown (see track #3)... https://www.discogs.com/Marcus-Miller-The-Sun-Dont-Lie/release/458114 Rampage

I had no idea either. Apparently a 3.5 year battle with cancer, not publicly known it seems.

Just seeing that Neil Peart, the drummer for Rush (and main lyricist), has died at 67. https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/neil-peart-obit-1.5422806 Surely one of the 10 best "Rock" drummers of all time. I'm sorry to say I never saw Rush live in concert, but I've been a growing fan over the last 20 years. A masterful drummer, in his idiom, and from the one Rush documentary I saw late one night on cable several years ago, seemingly a quiet and thoughtful guy. RIP.

From the article, and rather shocking I think too... How did this culture of fear drift into the recording studio? The answer is twofold. While copyright laws used to protect only lyrics and melodies (a prime example is the Chiffons’ successful suit against George Harrison in 1976 for the strong compositional similarities between his “My Sweet Lord” and their “He’s So Fine”), the “Blurred Lines” case raised the stakes by suggesting that the far more abstract qualities of rhythm, tempo, and even the general feel of a song are also eligible for protection — and thus that a song can be sued for feeling like an earlier one. Sure enough, a jury in 2019 ruled that Katy Perry owed millions for ostensibly copying the beat of her hit “Dark Horse” from a little-known song by Christian rapper Flame, stunning both the music business and the legal community. “They’re trying to own basic building blocks of music, the alphabet of music that should be available to everyone,” Perry’s lawyer Christine Lepera warned in the case’s closing arguments.

I'm just generally shocked at the number of "discs only" sets that appear on eBay. *AND* the number of "booklet only, no discs!" auctions too. How is it that SO damn many discs and booklets get separated like that?? I mean, I don't keep my discs in the original boxes, but all the boxes (and booklets) are together in an oversized milk crate, and my wife knows that the discs are all intermixed with my other CD's -- and they're the only ones in the black jewel boxes. It would take about 20 minutes tops to rematch them all up again. Maybe if strangers were packing up all my earthly possessions, maybe they might not have any idea, but still, you'd have to think that if you found that many empty boxes, that maybe what goes in them would be around somewhere close too. Not that I can't see it happening at all, but given the number of "discs only" and "booklet only" sales on eBay, it seems to be incredibly common, and bafflingly so.

You know, Jim, I pretty much said the same thing. And I consistently don't go to movies that go a few places that I just don't want to go. But the jazz fan in me said I probably ought to go, and so I did. I'd seen the trailer only (I'm sure I must have?), but not any actual clips. But I'm sure if I'd seen any sort of long/longer trailer, I would have had a tougher time deciding to go anyway (and yet, because of the jazz angle, I felt like I 'ought' to go). You probably made the better call. In retrospect, I think I'd rather I'd taken a pass on seeing it. No big deal either way, but the movie annoyed the shit of me for a good week after I'd seen it, and on balance, I might have rather not had to mess with it. I worked with a few Type A asshole types in some previous jobs, and I do NOT mix well with those people. Like "bad for my health" don't mix. And I try to avoid movies where I'm likely to have to spend the whole movie empathizing with somebody in the very kind of environment I despise being trapped in most (cuz I've been there, a tiny little bit (work-wise, early on), and I just can't function in that kinda shit). For the record, I never had it THAT bad. And my going on (and on?) about it here is more a reflection on my inability to deal with people like that, then any really abusive situations I was ever in. The last time I had to deal with real bullies was back when I was 13 or 14, at this one college-prep school with a shit-ton of entitled assholes (8th & 9th grade), and the experience -- even though I didn't have it as bad as some -- really left an impression on me, even all these years later.