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yep! not sure what the double "e" is doing there, though probably dancing to some vulgar boogee!

Well, Weizen, tell that to those who used that button ... anyway, thanks Big Beat Steve, and honestly I didn't go that far in my thinking, since the term "vulgar" just is ... too vulgar for what's under discussion here, in my opinion. Another point though is that all too often, jazz rhythm sections play some sophisticated take of ... whatever rhythm it really is, some samba variant or some slightly Latin or whatever for an intro and/or theme, but then revert to their regular straight 4/4 swing - which makes a Latin affair into straight jazz and doesn't really deserve the name "latin" any longer as they just use that to spice up some of their usual sticks. I find that pretty boring many times, or rather I regret the regular change to swinging straight 4/4 as soon as a theme is done with and the blowing starts. That might or mightn't be a different question from the one raised in the opening post here, I wouldn't know (I've not heard that Maggie album). Ya know, sometimes all that banging 4/4 swing is pretty vullegar, too ... and some Latin stuff is pretty darn sophisticated by comparison - even if you might be exhausted after listening to it. Being exhausted, again, has nothing to do with vulgarity - at least in my book.

Yes, they are, as is the whole series, "Jazz at the Concertgebouw". Oh, true! Thought they were from Scheveningen - even better news, then!

Kinda like that weirdly squealing Mick J. is but Charlie Watts' singer, I guess ... but no matter about all the name-calling and nit-picking and other idiocy, I'd still like to know about the "vulgar" thing, too!

Seems you're not quite flooded with offers ... I'd take one, too, if there'd be multiple ones!

Grigori Sokolov at the Luxembourg Philharmonic, playing Rameau (Suite in D from the second book of the "pièces de clavecin"), Mozart (K 310) and Beethoven ("Hammerklavier"): http://www.philharmonie.lu/en/programm/events.php?seite=event_details&id=2363

oh, shit, that sounds really bad, hadn't seen your previous thread(s)... http://www.bbc.co.uk...t-arts-20486184

Well, it's PD material, so anyone can release it ... Jazz Unlimited (a Storyville sublabel) always looked fishy to me though - and Storyville has gone bad some time ago (though I do enjoy their recent boxes, but mostly they're just re-packings, as is their Miles 2CD set - nothing to do with chops or cojones, rather the lack of same, I think).

Are they on the JSP set? Anyone knows that one? http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005GS3LN4/

Great news! This is an amazing concert and Sony did it all wrong (by including only one track in the big "Kind of Blue" box - if the whole show would have bought that box just for it!). Good to see a legit release. Btw, there was some discussion about the Zurich set from the same tour, that has recently been reissued on TCB in their "Swiss Radio Days" series (legit for the first time, too, I think!) and it seems that one beats all previous releases by far, sound-wise!

I thought so ... but in this case you seem to be better-served by going illegit (Fresh Sound, JSP, whatever). Or the legitics should provide a fix, which to my knowledge, they never did.

Saw that one in a store, sealed, but could see it has a booklet that looked rather big. As I have the big box, I won't need any of the new releases, but I still need a good replacement for the crappy 2CD set I got with the early recordings (I got the one which duplicates a track and omits another one, released by an outfit by name of Night Train). Hm, the new, cheaper edition of the Rhino "Pure Genius" box hasn't been mentioned here before, must have been another thread, I guess. Here's the one: http://www.amazon.fr/Pure-Genius-Completed-Recordings-1952-59/dp/B007TLCU2Y/

Lon, I know about the LP versions but it's most unlikely I can find them for good prices here. If you get vinyl in NM condition, it's never cheap here. Too little demand, too few shops. (And I don't like buying vinyl without being able to at least look at it!)

I saw that now, thanks! It's the amazon prices (and the complete unavailability in any local shop in the past twenty years) that misguided me!

I gladly trust you on that, but getting those discs is quite a nuisance and costs half a fortune ... But you may still convince me, as I've not yet bought anything (other than the single one from that essential blues albums Sony box).

Thanks brownie. I think I might take the JSP route here, then ... would have been most pleased by a good effort from Sony via Popmarket, but alas no.

(sorry, that was in response to Jim's!)

Fritz Pauer Der alte Fritz Ol' Dirty Bastard

btw, I know about the notion of dead artists being boxed ... but most of the ones ECM boxed are alive and kicking, so the joke's not too funny this time 'round

Yes, that's a difference, of course! But you know, I spent the week before last and will spend the next one on work in Luxembourg, and there I'm amazed at how many languages they talk. They learn French and German from the git-go in school, it seems, have their own (very weird) native language (which sounds to me like a wild mix of French, German and what I assume to be Dutch/Flemish), everybody of course speaks English, but many are also fluent in one or two more languages, it seems. Quite amazing even for continental Europeans! But back on topic: what I often regret with those classical liners is that in many cases they only deal with the works (like what Mozart wrote to his father in his letters while he stood someplace during the time he composed or first performed said concerto), and don't contain any reference to the interpretation/recording in question. That's different, say, with the EMI ICON boxes since those focus on the performing artist and not on works, but with plenty of single discs, it's all about works and not a word about musicians and their approaches to same.

Both good news to me, though I'm also more in favour of the Motian set, if it then happens. I have the first three on LP or CD and they're very good (well, "Conception Vessel" is rather okay to good than very good, but Charles Brackeen and David Izenzon are effin' Charles Brackeen and David Izenzon, dig?). Having Ethan Iverson write liners is a fine idea - his write-up on Motian was most enlightening, I found!

Nice one ... will try and give it a few spins now that you kindly remind me of it in time up! - anyone?

Different in each language. Yeah - it's particular frustrating when the German or French notes are much longer than the English and seem more detailed and interesting. And in the worst cases are when the notes in a language I don't speak have examples with musical notation, and the English notes don't. Damn Tower of Babel! I actually enjoy that a lot - being able to read French rather easily, in addition to German and English, and - if necessary - able to read some Spanish and also able to get the gist out of Italian notes, just going from my high school Latin and the other languages I'm more or less familiar with. Hence I find the opposite frustrating: why include three or even four or five versions of the same notes (in ofter lacklustre translations) at all? But then on the other hand, the new Glenn Could Edition (or is it Collection?) has notes in English only, but written by a German guy - that I find very silly (but in the end acceptable as it's clearly a cheapo series and other than some crappy minor layout gaffes, the presentation is very nicely done). As for length: you'll often note considerable differences even if there's just one text in English, German and French. English a most economic language by comparison, a four page English text usually needs almost a page more in German and French (sometimes even more in French, I think, but differences aren't that big there, usually). So a longer German text might only seem longer, if you look at it like that. Not that it really matters, though. As for my pets, I'm not sure what their likes and dislikes in classical music are, but they're surely not driven away if I play free jazz loudly.