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Wasn't there an RVG CD with the Brownie/Poppa Lou session?

Thanks a lot, brownie, sounds very good!

Now that, mister, is unforgivable! Now will you please put on one of these and stand in the corner until called back!

I guess my Coltrane collection is nearly complete, including unreleased/bootlegged live material. But I wouldn't ever vouch for it. Similar with Miles, though I certainly miss some sixties and seventies unreleased shows and never bothered to get all the eighties shows around (I've got the Montreux and grab some FM and SBD shows if they turn up but from that period, I definitely don't need any AUDs around). Then, I guess I've got most of what Lester Young recorded ... thanks to the big generosity of some kind forum member But there, too, I don't think I've got it all - and honestly I don't feel like going places just to get one more alternate take. Mingus, Monk, Dolphy, Ayler are others where I have a lot, most or all officially released material that came out in its time (i.e. I miss lots of live Monk from the sixties, stuff that came out later on) ... I never bothered to get all the live boots by Dolphy, or to get them in their entirety - I just casually pick up what I find along the way. Ellington is another case - far from complete, but still collecting - never-ending story, I guess With others such as Hank Mobley, Sonny Clark, Tina Brooks - I'm nearly complete, I guess, but then I don't care about having a gap here or there, or I'm in no hurry to fill the gaps, at least. With others, I'm virtually complete on some periods, like early Shepp (up to the late sixties), early Cecil Taylor (though with him, the later music is much more relevant to me than later Shepp, which is spotty and often rather dull and uninspired, judging from what I've heard, but also has some hidden jewels and some very worthwhile stuff). I guess what clifford said above rings true here ... I might get into Woody Shaw again, fill some gaps ... but I move on long before I'd have been able to fill them all.

Anyone listened to this box yet? I recently remembered its existance and just found this thread again ... any impressions on the music?

"Straight Ahead" is fantastic - maybe the best of the three (the Lock don't count, but it's a fine album in its own right, which probably I wouldn't have heard if not for the great Dolphy Prestige box). I never quite understood why most people seem to hold "The Blues and the Abstract Truth" in such high regard, while hardly anyone mentions "Straight Ahead". Both are classics. True, there's Bill Evans and Freddie Hubbard on the Impulse ... and there's Oliver Nelson's (pre-conceived?) avantgarde solos, too (I love them!) - but the more spontaneous feel of "Straight Ahead" ultimately grabs me just as much. The first of the bunch has Richard Williams (one of Mingus' favourite trumpet players - good enough for me!), but it's not as dense and not as successful as the later two, I think. Still a wonderful album.

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disc one of the 3CD edition @brownie: 1954 material, what's that? "Afro"?

The Jacquet was EMI (Aladdin/Philo), RCA, Savoy (who was the owner then?), Apollo (Delmark?) and there's an ARA session there, too, not sure where that belongs. But that was the exception to the rule ... and from what I've heard, while such negotiations were sometimes possible back then (1996), it got harder and harder to acquire licenses and reach agreements in general, for any label. Too many lawyers around, I guess ...

Wow, great news!

Well, I've got tickets for Lateef, so I will be there - just hope he'll be there, too Next up, tomorrow night: Lee Konitz Another youngster ... seen him twice (once in 1996 with Swallow/Motian) and then in 2010 (I think) with the same Trio Minsarah that's announced for tomorrow night. Love Lee!

So my assumption that they got the inherent message from all those labels taking advantage of the public domain thing was right ... they really should figure out some way to give the collectors access to the rarities, but as long as they have to think in sales/production figures, I doubt this will happen. They got the message like what, ten years too late? And yes, like Jim, I really enjoyed the Selects - too bad they didn't work out to be successful, for me personally, they were. I'm aware* that seven discs seems to be the format working best for Mosaic, but after all the smaller sets disappeared (there were plenty of them around, three or four disc boxes, when I started buying Mosaic product), I found it most welcome. They contain chunks of music that is often manageable more easily than large sets, and often they put out stuff that was pretty hard to find elsewhere (at least if, like me, you've been buying discs for around eighteen or so years out of continental yurp and without internext access or credit card for about the first five or so of these years). *) and yes, I'm aware now, shoot me next time I forget

The former is part of the sale (and looks interesting - I missed last year's sale, btw), the later is OOP, I think.

Not sure they actually outright steal (copy from the Denons). I think they rather revert to vinyl or some other sources (those mysterious reels Pujol has amassed over the years, he mentioned them in some interview also discussed here) - or else his CDs would sound better. It is my understanding that remasterings are protected independently of when the music was recorded and of the music being in public domain already or not. And as it is my understanding that Pujol is kind of shady but likely just about on the legal side of the divide, I'm not expecting him to just copy the Denon (and Atlantic) CDs.

Hey, I was in no way suggesting anyone lying here I am aware of the end of the Singles, but wasn't aware that the Selects were definitely ended, too.

bingo (alas, in bad sound quality )

fair 'nuff

Even if the label wasn't legit this does not make the recordings "unissued". Instances abound where the (legit or relatively legit) reissuers gleefully state "First official release ever" or "Released in authorized form for the first time" (or whatever) so why play hide and seek here? I know, but it seems common practice of majors to ignore such releases and label their first official releases as ... first ever releases. Not that I'd agree with that practice, was just asking ...

Is (was) VGM a legitimate label? Never thought it was - that may explain why they refer too it as unissued.

I've got that one ... actually I bought it for rather few tracks - but it's a nice package, and great to have it all in one place! Savoy failed to bring out the "Early" recordings pendant to their very good "Late Savoy" 2CD set, so I figured indeed I'd rather not wait for the Fresh Sound to go OOP, too! It also holds the fine lone Verve album (that was part of the Verve Elite Edition before). No more Selects ... is that definitive? I've heard about it, but never saw (or forgot if I did) any final statement or announcement, I think.

Hadn't noticed yet either ... those takes should have been in the great Pres/Basie Mosaic box! Someone really should collect those and the live session dubbed too short to fill a CD (who cares, I'd run for a 20 minute CD of unissued/unknown/unearthed Pres) and release it all!

Too bad it will sound only half as good as the Savoy/Denons ... I am becoming more and more in favour of Fresh Sound (not of all those stealin' labels, I still despise the bootleggers making money of unauthorized live shows) as none of the legal owners seem to bother to do anything anymore, but still, too many of these Fresh Sounds sound okay (as opposed to good). Too bad, really. But this IS an attractive package. Let's just hope they won't repeat the mistake Proper made in its Bags 4CD set! Good to see the trio track ("What's New") is there, too!

It's really too bad! I've got some of it as zeros and ones, and I am keeping my eyes open for used vinyl ... but they would make a great package, maybe even a Mosaic (a Select for the studio material? would be too bad about the terrific Pep's material - possibly my very favorite Lateef! - but still a great set!), but then they probably won't get access, either.

I don't choose my avatars, they choose me.

Way too hard for anyone at Universal to bother, I'm afraid. But I'd love to see the missing ones on CD!