Niko

Kinda surprised that Verve / Impulse / Universal can still do these podcasts even though they don't own the digital product anymore, just the physical... but I guess they must have looked into this before going ahead...

apparently Shipp vs Crouch is a feud that has been going on for decades, quoting from here, text is from 1999 https://nymag.com/nymetro/news/trends/columns/cityside/189/ `Shipp has been party to several dustups over the years, most famously squaring off with the occasionally pugnacious cultural critic and Marsalis confidant Stanley Crouch after an awards dinner. For his part, Crouch, no fan of Shipp’s “European music,” says “there wasn’t going to be any great glory for me putting my foot in his ass.” '

yes, indeed, it's here remarkably enough, in that version of the discography, the following was noted that about 49th Parallel: " A good release. The liner notes claim this is Woody's final studio recording date, but it cannot be unless the credits are misprinted." but this type of detail was deleted when the discography became "official"

That used to be a great commented discography (on WNUR?) until Woody III took over, deleted the comments and stopped updating it

sounds like you're really in the market for an upgrade then... and, given prices, the sound of the new issue will make the difference between getting the box, upgrading the old cds or getting the new edition...

if we leave the sound aside, which might be amazing, I would argue that no: or, that depends on your CD edition. Most recent CD editions such as this one https://www.discogs.com/John-Coltrane-Giant-Steps/release/14518768 also have 15 tracks. The major difference is apparently that the second alternate of Naima has been replaced by a track from the Coltrane Jazz album on this new edition. (And that the 15 tracks are spread across two CDs.) So if you also own a conventional CD of Coltrane Jazz such as this one https://www.discogs.com/John-Coltrane-Coltrane-Jazz/release/1898131 with its three versions of Like Sonny, you should be all set... And if you really want that version of Like Sonny, I'd still recommend to just buy Coltrane Jazz instead of Giant Steps. Finally, if you are interested in streaming those 35 tracks, then you can buy the new download or just stream them on spotify, either in the context of the new issue or in the context of the Heavy Weight Champion box which has been there for a long time...

the strangest idea is the inclusion of Like Sonny from Coltrane Jazz in place of an additional alternate take of Naima like in earlier single cd editions which had the same overall number of tracks as the current double cd... consequently the download only super deluxe edition https://www.amazon.com/Giant-Steps-Anniversary-Deluxe-Remaster/dp/B085WCCHRX has 35 tracks (all from the Heavyweight Champion box) including no less than 9 versions of Like Sonny...

Regardless of 1965 vs 1962 being probably different sessions, it's easy to imagine that they have a tune or two in common

nothing new except for a picture and a list price of 43$ http://sunnysidestore.mybigcommerce.com/Passion-Flower-For-Doris-Duke/

The LP is mentioned here https://jazzcollector.com/blue-note/everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-and-more-about-blue-note-45-rpm-records/ the relevant passages: " Though not really all that intentionally, I [Larry Cohn] accumulated a number of colored vinyl Blue Notes in my collecting over the years, treasured by me not for their value or even rarity but rather their aesthetics. Bob Porter lectured me about this once, long ago, since he auctioned off a few over the years and I do believe his story that the LPs like this were bootleg product produced illicitly in-house at the Plastylite facility in North Plainfield -after hours. [...] My goofy colored LPs (which I consider bootlegs as stated above) include an Art Blakey album with green vinyl, 1507; a red vinyl of Jimmy Smith’s hit 4078. Porter once auctioned off a Stanley Turrentine with white vinyl but I didn’t win it or ever see it – I think it was 4162."

Going by anecdotal evidence, I would say with people approximately my age (30-50, the group who was 10-30 years old in 2000) the big divide is between people who own a spotify subscription and people who find everything they need on youtube... I'd be curious to know how many households still own something like a stereo (instead of just gear for streaming from their phone to a bluetooth speaker)... among those who actually buy physical records, the majority is buying only or mostly vinyl... people who buy CDs exist but they tend to be older than me... in fact, I have the feeling that I am around the cutoff age... you occasionally see people below 40 buy CDs but I would guess that it's really the exception...

Sorry, no licensed release for Fruscella... just music that survived the fire... also, it doesn't feel like it was ever a finished album

Yes, this one https://www.freshsoundrecords.com/tony-fruscella-brew-moore-albums/5595-the-1954-unissued-atlantic-session.html

The second Tony Fruscella Atlantic album got out as well

@sonnymax: yes, of course... since I was 16 or so, my mother has been telling me how classical (her music) is not doing greatly in terms of sales, in terms of an aging audience etc etc but it's still doing a whole lot better than jazz (my music)... and early on I decided I don't care because I never entered this game to win...

"to compare music streams to album sales, it is assumed that 1500 streams equal one album sold"... I've bought some cds that I haven't played even 500 times... 5 times... I will play them all some more ... but 1500 still seems ambitious...

the original report has both, in terms of units the CD is ahead but only slightly (10.2 vs 8.8 million) https://www.riaa.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Mid-Year-2020-RIAA-Revenue-Statistics.pdf I also thought that this is a pretty cool tool for visualizing the market evolution of, say, the CD single vs the cassette tape vs the ringtone: https://www.riaa.com/u-s-sales-database/ I was actually wondering how this revenue split looks by genre, e.g. for something like the Monk Palo Alto album where Universal had to give away everything non-physical to Columbia... for the average album, this would have been an absolute disaster but maybe stuff looks different in the jazz world...

this here looks like it might be part of the answer: https://archives.libraries.rutgers.edu/repositories/6/resources/349 " This collection consists of nine audio tape reels. There are six 3 1/4-inch reels and three 7-inch reels. These include Alan Sukoenig's original recordings of live peformances by John Coltrane, Hasaan Ibn Ali, and Elmo Hope. Also included are recorded copies Sukoenig made of unissued Ibn Ali recordings from 1962 and a recorded interview of Thelonious Monk conducted at Pep's Lounge in Philadelphia by Sukoenig and Gerry Barrish in 1960. The Coltrane recordings comprise the saxophonist's famous 1963 performances at The Showboat in Philadelphia, containing the only known recording of Coltrane playing piano. The Ibn Ali recordings include 1964 performances at the University of Pennsylvania; 1965 recordings in New York City; and other unidentified recordings. The Elmo Hope recordings include 1964 performances at the West-Side YMCA Auditorium in New York City. The collection also contains recordings by saxophonist David Shier and Kenny Barron circa 1962. " Alan Sukoenig is also mentioned earlier in this thread as one of the producers of the Ibn Ali box and he's apparently the mastermind behind the Ibn Ali wiki entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:HomageToDonByas

James Leary has posted this video on facebook (where he is quite active) several times and it doesn't sound like there are additional tracks (which is a pity), e.g., "1968 was a transformative year for me(Graduated University of Arkansas Pine Bluff,Moved to California). In that year 1968,I wrote this composition Baptism because that is how if was realized for me 51 years ago. In 1970 I was in a college recording studio in San Mateo and handed this music to 4 great masters . For a Studio Engineer class at College of San Mateo, I was blessed and allowed to perform on bass and record my composition Baptism featuring,Hadley Caliman-tenor sax, Fred Berry-trumpet, Todd Cochran-Keyboards, Paul Tillman Smith-drums"

yes, that Smoke album should certainly be reissued - guess it doesn't help that Fred Berry is by far the biggest name in the group - of the rest, the only other player who has one more discogs credit beyond this album is vibes player Woody Webb who retained the band name and recorded a second LP (featuring Akira Tana and Curtis Clark among others... again not names that would justify a reissue even though there actually was one once)... the remaining tracks are on youtube as well iirc

drinking from the same Brouwerij t'IJ glass actually, but a different beer ... finally found a fruitbeer that I like, Bush Peche Mel... one of our local pubs is brewing a very nice one, but finding an alternative in the supermarket took kind a bit of trial and error

yes, you should know Fred Berry... he was an original member of the AEC or its precursors, he's on Roscoe Mitchell's Before there was sound (Nessa) and then went to the West Coast... he was in the group Smoke that played before Monk in Palo Alto 1968... here is one track from their album which you might like as well... (the whole thing is on youtube) it's an interesting career https://www.discogs.com/artist/305134-Fred-Berry

Led Zeppelin at the Fillmore East is helpful because that also points firmly to 31 January or 1 February of 1969 http://www.ledzeppelin-database.com/geekbaseweb/Datelistpage.aspx?Venueid=35&sort=0 unlike Monk and Led Zeppelin, Elvin Jones hasn't been that thoroughly researched I think... so while Joe Farrell is very plausible, I can't find any evidence quickly...

thanks, playing it now (it's also on spotify)!

you're really sure it was Thanksgiving and not 8 weeks later?