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thanks Roberto on the reminder re where we stand! agree with your summary Bertrand, it's most likely from the second half of 1965, it's almost certainly from a time when Patton was the regular organist in Patton's band - but that doesn't say anything about who might actually show up playing the organ on a given gig re newspapers.com, which version you need totally depends on the concrete newspapers you use in your research. If you do family history and your family always lived in a town whose local paper is in the cheaper package you can be lucky... for "my jazz research" I often need e.g. the SF Examiner which is in the more expensive package... similarly, GG at the Hurricane Bar is in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette which is in the more expensive package. I took the free trial, cancelled near the end and then resubscribed a few weeks later. If you take it for half a year, you pay only 12.50 per month rather than 20... re how long it took and the quality of the search engine: Making that list of GG gigs took me about 10 minutes but I was in a hurry so possibly didn't work super carefully (e.g. for some residences there were multiple ads but I only list one without trying to figure out how long they stayed each time). In my view, the search engine is extremely well made: You can look at individual newspapers but also all papers from cities, counties, states or sets of states - depending on what you need. SImilarly, you can give fairly precise time windows. What is especially nice is that usually with each search result you get a small picture of the page surrounding it which makes it easy to decide which ones need further investigation this is a snapshot of results for Grant Green in Pennsylvania between 1960 and 1980 for instance... and you see immediately which one are what we are looking for... and then you could click on the last one (from 1977) to see the full ad. It's also really easy to make pictures of parts of articles like this (what I don't know is how to make this smaller in the forum editor... this is from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette 3 Jan 1966) as you can see, I am a fan, this has really made my last few months a bit brighter...

just had a look at Grant Green in Philadelphia newspapers at newspapers.com... Green playing in the Hurricane Lounge was advertised quite regularly in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette... of course, these were only advertised lineups, not realized ones... no reports of disappointed clients because Green brought Larry Young instead of BJP or anything like that - but that wasn't to be expected... I also doubt that much can be made of the cases were no lineups were reported... Hurricane Bar: Grant Green (Guitarist on the Prestige Label, 18 January 1965) Grant Green Organ Trio featuring John Patton, Ben Dixon (15 November 1965) Grant Green Organ Trio featuring John Patton, Candy Finch (3 January 1966) Grant Green Organ Trio featuring John Patton, Candy Finch (4 July 1966) Grant Green Organ Trio featuring John Patton (held over, all this week, 11 July 1966) Grant Green Organ Quartet (25 Mar 1968) Crawford Grill: Grant Green Organ Trio featuring John Patton (9 big days, 12 Jan 1967) here are some relevant passages from that Msc thesis on Patton hosted here (every paragraph is copied from somewhere else in the document) The trio [Green Patton Dixon] also toured, a few of the places that Patton recalled were Hurricane's and Crawford's Grill in Pittsburgh, "all of the clubs in Rochester," Bonton's in Buffalo, the Cadillac Club and the Front Room in Newark. "We played a whole lot of clubs...whoooh-boy…it's not easy. I'm telling you. Drive, load, book…" Over a year later, a listing from Baltimore's Left Bank Jazz Society's Chronological Concert Listings for a gig at the Crystal Ballroom in Baltimore on July 31, 1966 with Patton, Grant Green, Vick, and drummer Hugh Walker. At this point, Patton was still co-leading his group with Grant Green, usually a trio, though sometimes augmenting to a quartet. Ads from the Village Voice confirm they played regularly at Slug's Saloon in the East Village in 1966 and 1967, using different drummers at different times, including Walker, the late Otis "Candy" Finch, and Clifford Jarvis. Walker, a native of Oklahoma, had entered Patton's circle of musicians as a member of George Braith's band in 1963.[129] He would figure prominently in Patton's activities upon his dissolution of his long musical relationship with Grant Green in 1968. There were several drummers who had preceeded Walker in the Patton-Green group after Ben Dixon quit working with the group regularly in 1965. "I got with Candy Finch when me and Grant started really touring, going up to Buffalo and Rochester and some different clubs on 125th St. We worked all around. We worked locally quite a bit. Candy and Grant were good friends...so we decided to take Candy on the road with us when we were doing tours."[130] The late Otis "Candy" Finch recorded one session with the group in December of 1965, Patton's Let 'Em Roll. Finch recorded with Dizzy Gillespie and Shirley Scott, among others. "This was after Clifford Jarvis. Clifford Jarvis was with me and Grant. Something happened with Clifford, I think he went back to Sun Ra." The Patton-Green group used several drummers, "whoever could make the gig," so to speak, including Grassella Oliphant, who enlisted Green's and Patton's services for his second album as leader The Grass Is Greener (Atlantic1484) in 1966. 1968 also marked Patton's dissolution of his longstanding, on-going, partnership with Grant Green.

if it's an old laptop then yes.... if it's two, three years old probably not...

yes, I agree, nowadays a cover like this wouldn't be acceptable anymore and for good reasons

it's an interesting document of its time... don't know how much genuine native American influence went in there beyond the song titles and the costume...

thanks! fwiw here are archive links to the discography which used to be on Simmons' homepage https://web.archive.org/web/20160324114640/http://sonnysimmons.org/disco1.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20160324113425/http://sonnysimmons.org/disco2.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20160317184258/http://www.sonnysimmons.org/disco3.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20160324111823/http://sonnysimmons.org/disco4.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20160324113153/http://sonnysimmons.org/disco5.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20160730190227/http://www.sonnysimmons.org/disco6.htm didn't check for discrepancies (but did notice it's more detailed e.g. in the 70s but possibly less detailed towards the end)

hmm have you tried clicking "follow" on the right on bandcamp? I guess I clicked that I want to receive their newsletter when I first ordered something via bandcamp... but not sure anymore... you could also just email them, I am sure they are happy to help? Or you could download one of their "name your own price" albums for a few cents to see whether there is the option to register for a newsletter? This one for example: https://jazzinbritain.co.uk/album/live-in-london-81-the-ron-mathewson-tapes-vol-2

https://img.discogs.com/Ix87W0AgBReh8z3ilwqV2krI7Y0=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-2934651-1308012383.jpeg.jpg This was Hill's actual debut...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Monroe%27s_Uptown_House

It's been a while but, looking for information on Shafi Hadi, I just stumbled upon an article in the Philadelphia Inquirer of 7 June 1992 which included a conversation with that anonymous Philadelphia musician... [John] Glenn whom Coltrane credited with showing him how to finger as many as three notes simultaneously [..] explained that he himself had been taught the technique by Shafi Hadi [..]. looking for John Glenn then easily gives a Coltrane quote e.g. here https://downbeat.com/microsites/prestige/trane-interview.html

I have only one of the original LPs from the 50s (Vol 2 iirc) and like it a lot... very nice cool jazz / 50s mainstream

Good question! there definitely is a St Louis connection between all three (Forrest, Nelson, Woods).... then again, Chris Woods is not a very distincitve name...

ok, so in on 1/2 there are well-known tracks from Jubilee and the Billy Berg's material which looks like this http://www.plosin.com/MilesAhead/BirdSessions.aspx?s=451217b the session with Joe Albany and Miles which is also well-known (but a personal favorite) http://www.plosin.com/MilesAhead/BirdSessions.aspx?s=460300 and 13 minutes from JATP in a quartet with Al Haig... here, at least Losin doesn't report a previous issue... http://www.plosin.com/MilesAhead/BirdSessions.aspx?s=481122 and then on LP 3/4 there is the deluxe edition of the Zorthian material...

definitely envy you for those memories!

thank you so much, quite a bit of stuff I'd been curious about (like Bud Shank with Joe Burnett or that Frank Strazzeri Quintet with Mouse Bonati)

Bennink, not Bennick... and just imagine if he hadn't lived in Europe ... Happy I saw him live a few times in recent years, he's simply the best

you could click here: https://www.youtube.com/user/FranklyJazzTV/videos btw, seeing Henry Grant on tenor in the lineup of the Gerald Wilson Band reminded me of this excerpt from Steve Isoardi's new book The Music Finds a Way http://www.pointofdeparture.org/PoD73/PoD73Isoardi.html (I actually bought the book after reading this sample... don't regret this at all but I should mention that the free sample is about 30% of the book though)

even easier (but doesn't seem to work with my system)... they're definitely not trying hard to discourage downloading

it's not rocket science, the filenames are of the form https://www.jazzhistorydatabase.com/archives/gene-perla/audio/241%20Revolution.mp3 so if you want to download e.g. the track called "57 Improvisation 5" you just replace "241%20Revolution.mp3" in the above url by "57 Improvisation 5.mp3" at least this worked for me.

of course not... in practice, I always have it somewhere between 32 and 48 with preferred values of 41 and 42

thanks for posting!

easy - everybody knows that Flea recorded with Ornette Coleman, and quick search of the board brought up this thread btw, if you check out his instagram, don't miss the clip of him and Chet Baker scatting Clifford Brown...

Walter Urban was a bass player in 70s and 80s LA who's biggest claim to fame nowadays is that, e.g., the readers of Rolling Stone magazine have voted his step son Michael Peter Balzary aka Flea the second greatest bass player in history (link) (after John Entwistle, before Paul McCartney)... he himself never achieved that type of fame (just like most people), Flea has remarked elsewhere that he can strongly identify with the childhood scenes Joe Albany's daughter wrote about... this here is from LA Weekly in 1981

thanks, I guess I need this... !

Thanks, very interesting!