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if it's just about that essay, you can also read it here https://www.uk-promotion.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Robin-Kelly-Monk-Palo-Alto-Liner-Notes-Final.pdf

I would argue (have read that elsewhere and found it convincing) that even if simply fooling people was van Meegeren's intention, there is something about (e.g.) this painting which is genuinely expressing the sensibility of 1937... (e.g. it has a bleakness which is not in the real thing... it's easy to believe that this guy comes from generation of socialst realism etc). back to the original topic: played the Swana album a few times over the past few days, it's great, thanks for the recommendation...

indeed, downloads tend to be quite pricey in comparison, probably because most people who buy them would never bother with the CD... in particular, if it's something I can stream "for free" on spotify, the added value of having a file on some harddrive is almost zero to me... even if it should be pulled from spotify at some point, I can usually still wait with buying a download until then because that one's unlikely to go out of print... in that situation, buying the download is almost purely a donation to the artist (which may be well-deserved)

same here, basically, I really don't like the thought of having 3000 albums in 3000 folders on a hard drive that I have to organize and back-up myself... it's not a matter of ability, there are some poor souls out there whose job consists to a significant part of working with a database frontend I programmed as a student... it's a matter of taste... I like it that I can, say, put the Joe Gordon album with Jimmy Woods next to the Jimmy Woods albums in close proximity of my small Horace Tapscott collection on the one side and my Sonny Criss albums on the other which then lead, e.g., into the West Coast Jazz corner... you can argue that I pay a high price for being able to stand in front of my collection and letting my mind wander from one corner to the next... but I enjoy it tremendously, and at the moment I also have enough space... it's just nice to walk into my room and have it all there... booklets are another topic, I like to have them around overall, being as objectively reasonable as possible it not one of my goals as a jazz fan... regarding streaming and the audio setup, I have active boxes with a blue tooth receiver... the cd player is directly connected to the boxes with a cable but my player for the LPs is connected via bluetooth in the same way I connect my laptop or my phone (the guy in the audio store was a bit shocked that someone want to buy a player like that... are you actually gonna use the bluetooth? he asked...)... and, admittedly, it does happen with some regularity that I am too lazy to dig out a CD I own and just stream it with spotify... regarding buying, I am mostly buying used LPs by now, also used CDs if I can find them... for new releases it's still mostly CDs but also some downloads via bandcamp if there is no better option... I like physical stores and at least here in the Netherlands the possibilities for buying used CDs are very limited by now, only two really good shops I am aware of, buying LPs is just more fun... what I buy in terms of used CDs, I buy almost exclusively at discogs.

indeed... and my feeling is that these listings have been expanded recently, jamming with Dexter is mentioned in Chapter 5, but no recordings are mentioned....

well, there was this very crude listing that Castro Jr posted somewhere on the internet (p.2 of this thread for details) at some point between the Fantasy CD with Zoot and the first boxset, let me copy once more Stan Getz-Zoot Sims-Gerry Mulligan-Oscar Pettiford (amazing) *Billy Higgins-Teddy Edwards-Lucky Thompson-Leroy Vinnegar- Teddy Wilson-Dexter Gordon-Anita O'Day-Chico Hamilton- *Zoot Sims w/ Teddy Wilson *Stan Getz w/ Teddy Wilson Buddy Colette-Red Mitchell-Jimmy Gourley-Chuck Wayne- Lou Levy-Ron Jefferson-Mel Lewis-Jack Sheldon-Buddy Jones- Allen Eager-Philly Joe Jones-Paul Chambers-Vernon Alley- Monte Budwig-Paul Motian-Sonny Truitt-Gary Frommer-George Handy. *Oscar Pettiford-Lucky Thompson-Zoot Sims- *A 50-minute ‘avant garde’ piece by Chico Hamilton that mixes classical & jazz. here, I added stars for stuff that's in the first set back then... there are a bunch of interesting names in here that apparently didn't make into either set, Dexter, Allen Eager, Lou Levy... the only hint at what's now apparently in set #2 is the name George Handy... I don't think there've been deletions in the discography, at least not compared to the version from March... not vouching for every single take of "Everything happens to me" being still there but I've checked it regularly over the years and am pretty sure that no truly interesting session has disappeared... Dexter Gordon I would definitely remember... regarding those obscure horn players, that's basically the "Chamber Jazz Sextet" which recorded quite a bit around 1960, e.g. behind poet Kenneth Patchen... saxophonist Modesto Brisenio is also on Teddy Edwards' Back to Avalon session

thanks, now playing it!

same here, I couldn't find anything in the logs, no reference to that session with Bird which has been around for years, no reference to that Big Bob Dougherty recording that carries the same label... then again, the document does look a bit messy... those 1943(?) Parker recordings are out there and they sound totally different, clearly before (most of) bop happened it's a really nice session actually

what seems pretty clear is that the labelling of this particular record occurred after Parker's return from Camarillo in January 1947 - otherwise the title doesn't make sense... (put differently: even if the composition was around before, it certainly wasn't called Relaxin at Camarillo... it was apparently sometimes called "Past Due"). Given that we are dealing with an acetate that was most likely produced right after the session, it seems safe to date this after the Dial session of February 26 1947...

sounds to me like he looked at the discs but didn't listen to them... (jabird provided the link to those Damon logbooks already on the first page of this thread)

I played this one from 1984 yesterday and liked it a lot

thanks, really like the little Hallberg I've heard! 19 titles as in 19 albums btw and I actually count 22 on my spotify...

ok, this looks like the type of info that is well-served in an old-fashioned list that might accompany a discography but might also stand alone... (like Michael Fitzgerald's Art Blakey Chronology or Ricky Lopez work on e.g. Sam Rivers)

maybe... this album was recorded in March 62, certainly somewhat commercial, Peacock on bass or here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMnzFM_Sq8s you can see Peacock as part of a Dixieland band in a 1961 movie (about minute 13-15)... Peacock in the early 60s was flexible

ultimately that type of thing is completely up to your discretion as a researcher I would say... I certainly wouldn't separately include all Fridays of, say, 1974-1977 saying he probably played at the West End, no players, no tunes known... But, e.g. having a single entry for ca 1974, providing the info you have (radio station, likely players, location, approximately from April 1974 to June 1977...) would be a very valuable addition to a discography imho

An extreme example is this great Hod O'Brien discography https://jazzdiscography.com/Artists/OBrien/hod-disc.php which contains about 120 private tapes and some further unissued and unrecorded sessions among 180 sessions... most of the private tapes recorded by the discographer himself it seems ... fascinating reading but, of course, not the most essential part of the discography for many purposes... Still, I strongly appreciate it when these are included

there's a picture from that gig here and an ad for it so it seems it was real

speaking as a prime consumer of online discographies: yes, it definitely counts, i.e., if it exists, I'd want to read about it in a discography and I'd be disappointed if it was missing... many of the great online discographies like Mike's Brubeck or e.g. Noal Cohen's Frank Strozier discography contain stuff like concerts for which lineups and track lists are known even if it is not known whether a recording exists, see e.g. the last session here https://attictoys.com/frank-strozier-discography/ what is less important is a detailed listing of all subsequent reissues, especially if it includes dozens of dubious PD entries from spotify and the like... Cohen used to list these but has wisely deleted them since... btw in the case of Brooks, there already is a Leader Discography by Michael Fitzgerald https://jazzdiscography.com/Leaders/BrooksTina-ldr.php

in addition to what you directly see on discogs (not much, but also not nothing), he's on at least two Papa John deFrancesco albums, Comin' Home and Hip Cake Walk...

Thanks a lot! I have been using versions of your Patterson discography for years now... I have one tiny piece of extra information: on Blues for Ginni from O.D., Al Grey's son Michael sits in for one chorus on trombone... I first read this here on his youtube channel, but it's even stated on the backcover of the LP ("This piece also includes a musician not listed in the credits [which are like 10cm to the left from where this is written] - Al's son Michael [...] who sat in to record his first chorus on slide trombone")

I am not much of an expert (i.e. I am unfamiliar with other later live releases, only know Mexican Green and the Fontana Box a bit...). I streamed it on and off over the day via https://jazzinbritain1.bandcamp.com/album/free-flight-the-ron-mathewson-tapes-vol-3Bandcamp and then placed my order... so I liked it a lot, sound doesn't seem to be perfect, but it's just a nice free-bop live set with long tunes, some old standards in there... I think it's very good

that was one of my first CDs in 90s, it was reviewed favorably in the first or second Jazz magazine I ever bought, I liked what I read and so I got it... has rarely worked this smoothly later on... Tubby Hayes - Free Flight

Any idea where in NY or Philadelpia (Sid Simmons of Visitors fame!) this picture was taken? Thanks!

those are the two that made history... or is there a well-known #3?

that was my first impulse as well ... also that Miles Davis phase in the late 60s, Bitches Brew, In a Silent Way... feels classic to me... Accent on the Blues, of course, I still see a lot of classic stuff coming out in the years after Coltrane's death...no, not far away from Coltrane, and after like 1982 stuff becomes even more difficult... and, yes, with Bitches Brew, the point was never glory note by note... I mean, you might argue that glory note-by-note is really an ideal from the 78 era which was still somewhat alive in the early 60s among musicians who had come to age listening to Duke Ellington's Koko...