Guy Berger

A single shot, and cheaper to store. Also, could make a big deal for poorer countries that did not manage to lock up supply of the other vaccines. This is important. Silent hypoxia (where your oxygen drops suddenly/dangerously but you don't notice) seems to happen a lot w/COVID and is dangerous. Disagree strongly, for two reasons. 1) Older people are MUCH more likely to die from COVID than younger people. So prioritizing their vaccination IMMEDIATELY (or nearly immediately) makes COVID much less dangerous for society at large, even if it continues to circulate. 2) We're finally starting to get scientific evidence that the vaccines reduce COVID transmission, not just symptoms BUT - this was initially not a certainty. So the risk with prioritizing young people was that you would reduce their morbidity (which was relatively mild) and not do much to reduce the fatality rate. Exactly. The reason we are freaked out about COVID, rightfully, is it kills a lot of people. Those fatalities are concentrated among the elderly (and especially the very elderly). Living with the disease becomes much more bearable (especially for a not-so-long time) if the number of deaths falls dramatically.

Dan - I don't disagree that there were younger musicians making strong straight-ahead jazz during the 1980s. Mostly I'm contesting the nonsensical narrative (which was probably more common 15-30 years ago) that a small group of younger musicians somehow "saved" straight ahead jazz during this period. As this thread shows, the scene was alive and well, and didn't need "saving".

A long time ago I watched the Keith Jarrett DVD documentary and Chick said that collaborating with Keith on the Mozart concerto freaked him out a little and motivated him to practice like crazy. I wonder how these two felt about each other personally. Probably not positively.

One thing that hits home from this thread is how astro-turfy and phony the whole "young lions" marketing campaign was. There was tons of unhyped, high quality straight-ahead (and straight-ahead-adjacent) jazz recorded during the 80s.

This seems really blah

After several years collecting dust, I’m finally starting to make my way through the box. Have listened to the first 5 discs so far. The Monterey 1964 disc was what I’ve been looking forward to the most - “Meditations” is my favorite Mingus composition and, aside from Eric Dolphy, John Handy is my favorite Mingus saxophonist, so I love hearing him on this material. The additional Town Hall material is very welcome as well, and the Amsterdam gig is great - I think the sextet was better with Coles. I’m curious about the 1965 band, never having listened to it before. Coming in with relatively low expectations.

Interesting discussion on DiMeola and post 1972 fusion. I’m able to enjoy DiMeola’s music (at least the Elegant Gypsy stuff) on its own terms, as entertaining fluff. But it’s annoying when incorporated into Corea’s music where I have higher expectations.

Hey all - the recent Julius Hemphill box set made me poke around at the New World Recordings catalogue and... it looks pretty intriguing! I have two albums from the label, both under Muhal Richard Abrams's name (the big band album and the duets with Marty Ehrlich). Any other treasures you'd recommend?

I think you're right. He seems to be one of those people whose exaggerated sense of self-importance leads them to regularly embarrass themselves in public. Re the Liebman interview - really interesting. Thanks for sharing, Larry.

There are strands of left wing thought that are anti-immigration (not necessarily anti-immigrant, though the line can get blurry quick).

The 70s and 80s were an extraordinarily creative/fertile time for jazz! I'll have to think about my favorites, but there are a lot I love.

The Allen/Haden/Motian album on JMT (In the Year of the Dragon) is really good - IMHO better than the better known one on Soul Note (Etudes). I haven't heard the album(s) the trio did on DIW yet. Now that I think about it, the only DIW I've heard is David S Ware's Flight of I. I should revisit.

Re JMT, I haven't listened to anywhere near the entirety of its catalogue, but the Paul Motians and Tim Bernes are excellent. My fave of the Motians is TRIOISM; my fave of the Bernes is FRACTURED FAIRY TALES. I've heard two of the Steve Colemans and they aren't as good as his later work, though of historical interest.

Sorry to everyone enduring in Texas enduring the combination of a deep freeze and lost power. Hope things warm up quickly and that all of you and your loved ones stay safe. Climate change is really fucking things up for a lot of us worldwide.

LOL!

Same. Don't really think about it.

Yuck

So count me in the “love pre-1974 Corea, mixed feelings about post-1974 Corea” camp but... I agree with a lot of your assessment, Jarrett’s increasingly monochromatic career during the last 45 years is not a good thing

Oh no. When he was at his best, he was one of the very very very best.

What about Jose Davila, the guy who plays with Threadgill? He's awesome

Yeah. Even once it's open to the general public, it might initially be hard to get a shot because everybody will rush to get it. But that initial rush will dissipate. I'm in my early 40s and (appropriately) in the back of the queue, but am pretty confident that by the end of June I'll be vaccinated (and possibly as early as May). One of the ironies of the scenario you describe is that, demand being relatively low is bad for our prospects of quickly crushing COVID. I'm guessing we'll have undervaccinated areas of the country (and even more so, world - since Americans are more pro-vaxx than, say, Europeans) that will remain dangerous to visit for quite some time. Just like we have CDC travel warnings for malaria or hepatitis, we'll probably say "country or region X has endemic COVID and we caution older travelers on going there".

FWIW, Dr Scott Gottlieb was saying on CNBC earlier this week that we're about to reach the point where supply exceeds demand and that vaccination will probably be open to the public by early April.

So far I've only listened to the 1964 set. IMHO despite not being a hardcore Johnny Coles fan, this group was much better before he got sick and left - he made the ensembles so much richer. re "how many 1964 recordings do we need"... hard to answer. Depends on how much you love the music. I bucket this with 1960s Coltrane and 1960s/70s Miles Davis ensembles where I'm glad to have a lot of recordings and in some cases wish we had more. Looking forward to spending time w/1975.

I like him, but find him a little “clunky” compared to his peers (Wayne Shorter and Joe Henderson most significantly, but also Dewey Redman, Bennie Maupin, Billy Harper and Charles Lloyd). IMHO he was best with Charles Mingus.

IMHO Wild Man Dance and Passin’ Thru, neither with Frisell, are great. They stack up pretty well relative to the live ECM (Rabo de Nube). I have heard the other recent Blue Notes, they’re fine, but streamed them each 1-2 times and haven’t been in a rush to pick them up.