Dan Gould

Good to know you can insult yourself. Saves some of us time! I guess you are smarter than I thought. Yes, and you're more of an ornery asshole each day.

This is such a load of crap, Nessa. Why put "jazz fans" in quotes if you aren't challenging the self-identification of these so-called "fans"? If you meant no offense, why do you challenge the bona fides of these JAZZ FANS? Why does their very existence on the these boards give you such a "huge bummer"?? They don't measure up to YOUR STANDARDS of what constitutes a "jazz fan" and so to you, they aren't really jazz fans at all. Well fuck you very much.

I started in to the jazz world in December of '87, so I guess the poll was meant to insult myself?

Almost 500 hits for less than 150 CDs so far. So, I'm guessing someone actually is reading this. Then again, if no one cares or the peanut gallery hecklers keep piling on .... Well, picture that smilie where the fingers keep going down til only one is left.

Art Blakey: Jazz Corner of the World (the Mobley/Morgan set), Volume 1 & 2 The Jazz Messengers (Columbia) Moanin' (RVG) 1958-Paris Olympia (Fontana) Hold On I'm Comin' (Limelight-Dave James is right, its pretty bad) 'S Make It Soul Finger (The other Limelights are fine, though ) Live in the 50s A Jazz Message (Impulse!) Moanin' (the LRC date from the late 60s) Second Edition Featuring Johnny Griffin (Bluebird) A Day with Art Blakey, Volume 1 & 2 Live in Holland 1958 Caravan Kyoto (OJC) Paris Jazz Concert (RTE) Jazz Messengers Part 2 (Giants of Jazz (forgive me, please!) Blakey/Roach: The Hard Drive (half, I think, is a Blakey Cadet LP, the other half is the Max Roach Argo, Max) The Art of Jazz (In + Out Records) 134 A little more than halfway through the Blakeys, check back on Friday for the rest.

I'm sorry, Mike, you got caught in the crossfire I was sending Chuck's way. I wish that Chuck would learn that jazz fans come in many varieties, and those whose ears don't stretch as far as his do are not inferior to him.

Well, I don't know if it's a preference, or just the easiest path to take. Well if you can always tell the difference, that's real cool ... B) Well said - I went through this several times. Grew - well, not tired, but a litle weary of hard bop and other styles for some time. But I think Chuck is right that there are people who NEVER feel such a shock that takes them to new areas - perhaps not because there are no such opportunities for them, but they simply cannot have that feeling. And if these act like attorneys of "the real jazz", that can be a drag. Let us not forget that it is equally possible that there are passionate jazz fans who find little to enjoy from some subgenres of jazz. In other words, its not a matter of an inability to be shocked into new areas, or a lack of curiosity about different areas. They aren't defective, and they ought not to be "drags" to self-righteous fans who feel smugly superior because they're ears happen to encompass a wider variety of styles.

I was wondering if I should have extended the choices farther into the past. Should I restart this poll, or just let it run? If everyone posts a time-frame, I guess we'll have a pretty good idea.

Not sure what the theme is, but I'm glad that BFT #13 is completed and ready to go. Not to shortchange Daniel's discussion, but we've never had 75% of the answers less than a day into the discussion! This one will probably wrap up in another ten days at most! I think there's a lesson here that while discs may be shipped to the far reaches of the globe extra early, discussion should be allowed to start sooner than it was on this one.

Inspired partially by the responses to Chuck's and Christiern's comments in the "What Have You Learned" thread, I'm curious how many of us have spent how much time as jazz fans. How many are newbies, veterans, and, uh, shall we say, old f*rts? I date my jazz listening to December of 1987, so I'm just a tad shy of 20 years.

Well, my one guess, it was pretty bad. But then again, Jim R.'s first thought was Curtis Counce, so maybe "West coast" wasn't such a bad initial thought. Not thrilled I missed the trumpeter who's "gloriously lyrical".

Thanks to Daniel for a very nice compilation. Unfortunately, as much as I enjoyed a great deal of it, very little sparked any suspicion as to performers. Lots of tunes were familiar but couldn't be named, other than the Hancock cover. That one, I found to be less than thrilling, though I've always dug the tune. The one guess I had was on track three, where my notes say "West coast players, maybe Zoot?" For the record, tracks 9, 11 and 13 were the dreaded DKDC Thanks again, Daniel! Now I'll check the rest of the thread and learn the names of those tunes I knew but didn't.

Cat Shatner may be missed, Jeff, but you'll be missed more. Good luck in all your endeavors and I hope they bring you back here eventually.

Dan, I share your enthusiasms. I'm just bummed my discussions with you are restrained by your small area of concern. It is a big world out there. I'm going to ignore your second comment because obviously you're getting cranky and its time for a nap. Exactly how "small" are my areas of concern? My collection spans across the history of jazz. It includes big bands, vocalists, small group swing, bop, hard bop, soul jazz, even a few Andrew Hill sides. There are people here who don't care for big bands and can't stand singers. I saw a comment by someone who said that they can stand Joe Williams with Count Basie only in small doses. Do you give them shit?????? Oh, to meet your standards I have to embrace what you like also? My response to that is,

This just in: former Washington official Ron Zeigler is anxiously waiting in his home; says he expects a phone call in "a year or two at the most"... Good name to remember, Mark, but Ron Zeigler died last year. Like Maury Amsterdam, he missed his shot.

You know, Chuck, its this kind of attack that is a "huge bummer" for me. What you are basically saying is, I'm bummed out because there are people who don't share my own enthusiasms. Instead of complaining about that, why can't you learn to accept that different people have different likes and dislikes? That people can come to their own personal conclusions about the music they find appealing and the music they don't find appealing? Maybe in the next life.

Obviously, he didn't want too many presents .... Happy Birthday, RDK!

I've heard that song, Evan, and to me, its so calculated and calibrated to be a hit. The whole concept of the song-women are the dominant country music listener, so write a song for them, cash the check. (Same thing with Shaniah Twain's "Any Man of Mine"-that song was gonna be a hit, with or without the video. The video just made it a monster hit.) Keep the men interested by "borrowing" a professional wrestler's "Hell Yeah" catch phrase. Yuch.

With four CD racks from Sauder, running $60 a piece and holding about 550 CDs each, I was running out of shelf space, and also running out of floor space to add more racks. So, I made the big break, and switched to a sleeve/three ring binder system. I found 8-to-a-page Case Logic sleeves real cheap (I still have plenty of sleeves left over, and my total cost for the sleeves was well under $200), and bought the binders at Office Depot. Bought new Sauder book cases, and now, my 2500 CD collection fits in less than two full two shelf bookcases. The one drawback: I couldn't keep the inserts and tray cards in the binders, so I carefully bundled them up in rubber bands, in alphabetical order, and boxed them up. The biggest drawback there, frankly, is the fact that as I've worked on my next BFT, I've had to dig through the bundles to find the sidemen/recording info. One big advantage, in addition to the space saving: if we're ever in a Hurricane evacuation order, I will have no problem getting my CDs safely out of harm's way. The last time there was a serious hurricane threat, and this was when my collection was much smaller, I considered the likelihood that I'd have to evacuate and it took me hours to box up the CDs and lug them to the car. And if I'd actually been forced to go, I couldn't have taken anything else with me other than the dog.

Happy Birthday Mr. Wood!

FINAL price reductions added.

Got mine today (thanks Jim Dye) and have listened to the first 12 tracks. The ratio of to DKDC is so high, this one's a definite keeper. Good job, Daniel, and I'm looking forward to the discussion!

Continuing with Louie Bellson: Thunderbird Drumorama Lou Bennett: Amen Pentacostal Feeling Enfin Tony Bennett: Playin With My Friends George Benson: Compact Jazz compilation Par Excellence New Boss Guitar Walter Benton: Out of This World Walter Bishop Jr: Coral Keys What's New 107 Stay tuned for next week, and beyond, its time for Blakey!!!

I'm doing a thematic comp. right now. Unfortunately, its for my next BFT, so y'all will have to wait to find out what's on it.

And by the way, on Terry's Mumbles schtick, a little goes a long way for me, too. But that hardly takes away from his superior trumpet playing.