Dan Gould

Well, Dallas seems to be the home of a lot of crazy conspiracy theories, this is just one more.

Interesting, perhaps, but far, very far, from a slam dunk. He questions the lack of blood on the gas pedal of the Bronco? Well, from the footprints leading away from the crime scene, the trail fades away and stops. Obviously the blood wore off the sole of the shoe before he got to the car. I also find it hard to believe that a man so psychologically damaged, who had previously had suicidal thoughts and actions, could kill his step mom and an innocent man, and never confess, never attempt suicide again. Also, how did the glove get to Simpson's house? The limo driver was there early. No one around. No car on the street. He hangs out. He waits. Then a single man appears, walks into the house and lights go on, etc., etc. The timeline was tight to begin with. How the heck does OJ go to the crime scene after the fact, to deal with what Jason supposedly did, and still make it in time? If OJ was called away by his son to deal with this, he would have had to be called away before the murders happened! There is no way in hell that OJ goes to the crime scene if he isn't the killer. The timeline completely breaks down under that assumption. And there's no way in hell the glove gets to OJ's estate if he's not the killer.

I wouldn't sweat it, though I didn't see the reactions it got. I was, however, going to go in and cast a write-in ballot for Boston, when the Sox win the Series! (I think its inevitable that if the Sox do win it all, the rioting in Boston will be horrific).

Anybody else's dog give the "head tilt" when you speak to them? Whenever I speak to Coltrane, he tilts his head in this quizzical expression that is priceless. He's definitely a bright dog. Often he'll bring me a toy and I'll try to distract him and hide it, behind my back or under my leg or something. If he can't find it immediately, you can see him working through the possibilities until he works out the problem. But one time, I slipped a tennis ball behind an oversized pillow that was on top of the couch, laying against the wall. Eventually, he found it in this totally new hiding place. The next day, I hid it there again, and the pillow was the first place he looked!

Call me crazy, but I do belive that O.J. did it, and that the LAPD planted evidence to make sure they got a conviction. Just living in SoCal for so long gives me a creepy feeling about LAPD. Well, I guess the easy response would be to say yes indeed, you are crazy. Do you specifically believe that the glove was planted or that blood was spread around? I have to ask, because to believe that Furhman took a bloody glove from Nicole's entryway to Simpson's house and planted it behind the wall, when he could not possibly know if Simpson could be a suspect or if he had an alibi or anything like that is past crazy. It betrays all logic and rationality. There's no way that when they left the murder scene and went to OJ's house could Furhman have the foresight to know that it would be a good idea to bring the glove and plant it there. But I guess he was just lucky that Cato told him about the weird noise and that gave him the perfect place to plant the glove, right? I take back what I said above. You're fucking crazy.

I'd be interested to know who honestly believes Furhman planted the glove.

Since the trial predated the Net's popularity, I thought it might be interesting to revisit that infamous case, as the anniversary of the murders is just a couple of days away. It sickens me that this man walks freely among us.

300 mg of Wellbutrin XL a day. It makes you attack Gene Harris fanatics, otherwise known as the One Sound. You're not worth it. Just as you're not worth the Weinstock interview transcript. Or advice on Williamsburg. Mistakes that won't be repeated (or perpetuated).

I didn't have the music in front of me to check, Peter, but considering Daniel's avatar, you made loads of sense to me!

Good to know you can insult yourself. Saves some of us time! I guess you are smarter than I thought. Yes, and you're more of an ornery asshole each day.

This is such a load of crap, Nessa. Why put "jazz fans" in quotes if you aren't challenging the self-identification of these so-called "fans"? If you meant no offense, why do you challenge the bona fides of these JAZZ FANS? Why does their very existence on the these boards give you such a "huge bummer"?? They don't measure up to YOUR STANDARDS of what constitutes a "jazz fan" and so to you, they aren't really jazz fans at all. Well fuck you very much.

I started in to the jazz world in December of '87, so I guess the poll was meant to insult myself?

Almost 500 hits for less than 150 CDs so far. So, I'm guessing someone actually is reading this. Then again, if no one cares or the peanut gallery hecklers keep piling on .... Well, picture that smilie where the fingers keep going down til only one is left.

Art Blakey: Jazz Corner of the World (the Mobley/Morgan set), Volume 1 & 2 The Jazz Messengers (Columbia) Moanin' (RVG) 1958-Paris Olympia (Fontana) Hold On I'm Comin' (Limelight-Dave James is right, its pretty bad) 'S Make It Soul Finger (The other Limelights are fine, though ) Live in the 50s A Jazz Message (Impulse!) Moanin' (the LRC date from the late 60s) Second Edition Featuring Johnny Griffin (Bluebird) A Day with Art Blakey, Volume 1 & 2 Live in Holland 1958 Caravan Kyoto (OJC) Paris Jazz Concert (RTE) Jazz Messengers Part 2 (Giants of Jazz (forgive me, please!) Blakey/Roach: The Hard Drive (half, I think, is a Blakey Cadet LP, the other half is the Max Roach Argo, Max) The Art of Jazz (In + Out Records) 134 A little more than halfway through the Blakeys, check back on Friday for the rest.

I'm sorry, Mike, you got caught in the crossfire I was sending Chuck's way. I wish that Chuck would learn that jazz fans come in many varieties, and those whose ears don't stretch as far as his do are not inferior to him.

Well, I don't know if it's a preference, or just the easiest path to take. Well if you can always tell the difference, that's real cool ... B) Well said - I went through this several times. Grew - well, not tired, but a litle weary of hard bop and other styles for some time. But I think Chuck is right that there are people who NEVER feel such a shock that takes them to new areas - perhaps not because there are no such opportunities for them, but they simply cannot have that feeling. And if these act like attorneys of "the real jazz", that can be a drag. Let us not forget that it is equally possible that there are passionate jazz fans who find little to enjoy from some subgenres of jazz. In other words, its not a matter of an inability to be shocked into new areas, or a lack of curiosity about different areas. They aren't defective, and they ought not to be "drags" to self-righteous fans who feel smugly superior because they're ears happen to encompass a wider variety of styles.

I was wondering if I should have extended the choices farther into the past. Should I restart this poll, or just let it run? If everyone posts a time-frame, I guess we'll have a pretty good idea.

Not sure what the theme is, but I'm glad that BFT #13 is completed and ready to go. Not to shortchange Daniel's discussion, but we've never had 75% of the answers less than a day into the discussion! This one will probably wrap up in another ten days at most! I think there's a lesson here that while discs may be shipped to the far reaches of the globe extra early, discussion should be allowed to start sooner than it was on this one.

Inspired partially by the responses to Chuck's and Christiern's comments in the "What Have You Learned" thread, I'm curious how many of us have spent how much time as jazz fans. How many are newbies, veterans, and, uh, shall we say, old f*rts? I date my jazz listening to December of 1987, so I'm just a tad shy of 20 years.

Well, my one guess, it was pretty bad. But then again, Jim R.'s first thought was Curtis Counce, so maybe "West coast" wasn't such a bad initial thought. Not thrilled I missed the trumpeter who's "gloriously lyrical".

Thanks to Daniel for a very nice compilation. Unfortunately, as much as I enjoyed a great deal of it, very little sparked any suspicion as to performers. Lots of tunes were familiar but couldn't be named, other than the Hancock cover. That one, I found to be less than thrilling, though I've always dug the tune. The one guess I had was on track three, where my notes say "West coast players, maybe Zoot?" For the record, tracks 9, 11 and 13 were the dreaded DKDC Thanks again, Daniel! Now I'll check the rest of the thread and learn the names of those tunes I knew but didn't.

Cat Shatner may be missed, Jeff, but you'll be missed more. Good luck in all your endeavors and I hope they bring you back here eventually.

Dan, I share your enthusiasms. I'm just bummed my discussions with you are restrained by your small area of concern. It is a big world out there. I'm going to ignore your second comment because obviously you're getting cranky and its time for a nap. Exactly how "small" are my areas of concern? My collection spans across the history of jazz. It includes big bands, vocalists, small group swing, bop, hard bop, soul jazz, even a few Andrew Hill sides. There are people here who don't care for big bands and can't stand singers. I saw a comment by someone who said that they can stand Joe Williams with Count Basie only in small doses. Do you give them shit?????? Oh, to meet your standards I have to embrace what you like also? My response to that is,

This just in: former Washington official Ron Zeigler is anxiously waiting in his home; says he expects a phone call in "a year or two at the most"... Good name to remember, Mark, but Ron Zeigler died last year. Like Maury Amsterdam, he missed his shot.

You know, Chuck, its this kind of attack that is a "huge bummer" for me. What you are basically saying is, I'm bummed out because there are people who don't share my own enthusiasms. Instead of complaining about that, why can't you learn to accept that different people have different likes and dislikes? That people can come to their own personal conclusions about the music they find appealing and the music they don't find appealing? Maybe in the next life.