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If my memory is correct, I think that's Don Cherry you're hearing. Cherry's on one (or possibly both) of the sessions that make up "Somewhere Else" (again, from memory) -- and plays pocket trumpet (sometimes muted, sometimes not) throughout. I don't remember Michael Ray playing a prominant role on "Somewhere Else". I just checked the credits and there's no trumpet at all on the first track but both Cherry and Ray are co-listed for the second session. Honestly, I completely forgot that Cherry's on this one at all. I'm pretty sure you're right and that's who I was listening to when it came to the muted parts. Oh well, I guess I gotta scratch this one off the list for listening to some good Ray

So I just spun Strange Celestial Road, Somewhere Else and Sunrise in Different Dimensions, and I have a hard time pinpointing where Ray is on SCR; there are three trumpeters listed and there's little to no solo space for them. Much better is Somewhere Else where Ray reminds me somewhat of Miles, especially muted. S in DD, though is a standout, where Ray is listed as sole trumpeter (strangely, no bassist?). Ray's talent, I think out of these three disks, comes out best on Sunrise and his voice sounds more original here then on the other two discs. Great record anyway.

I did think that it was a very cool design element of the plane that with no power, a little blade drops out of the wing and uses the speed of the plane to get some power to the cockpit and control surfaces, to give the pilot a shot at maintaining control. I do too. There was another Air Emergency where the plane turned into a 10 ton glider and that little propeller dropped out and gave very limited power to the plane-they managed to land safely after gliding for some amazing amount of distance. What disturbed me about the Ethopian episode beside the obvious was that as soon as the power shut off, the pilot had no control of the flaps, which could've helped him slow down the speed of the plane, which hit the water at over 200 miles an hour. Perhaps they were able to correct that problem since this accident.

WOOOAH! Thanks for posting that website page Chuck! There's a lot of interesting information there. So, with 8 cuts by Hill, wouldn't that make a nice single cd!!! Nice newpaper clipping of a very young Hill and Favors too! So what's the story with Ping now? Anyone own the material and can put this stuff out?

Saw the Ethopian Airlines one this morning, and I misunderstood the break-up of the plane; it wasn't a coral reef but the engine hitting the water that started the break-up.

Its getting too hot again

Exactly. Had a kegerator, and you'll know when the lines are dirty when you have little bits of black flakes in your beer. Must also have a proper amount of C02 as well-too much it gets too foamy. None and you have flat beer. That's an art in itself!

My guess is, like with all other spam/scam mail, that some one will get suckered into responding.

Oh, yeah that reminds of another dentist horror story. I needed a root canal and for some reason the dentist couldn't finish the job that day so he put a temporary cap on it and made an appointment for me for next week. In the meantime though, the tooth had somehow become infected, which I learned when I took a bite out of a banana-as soon as the banana hit the tooth, it was like someone took a hammer and slammed it on top of the tooth. I never experienced pain like that. It took nearly an hour for my tooth to calm down, and of course it was a Saturday night, so I had to wait until Monday morning to get it taken care of.

Had to have an impacted tooth removed (baby tooth never came out so I had the adult tooth still behind it) and although it was an outpatient procedure they still had to put me under. I explained that I have a high metabolism rate and to make sure you give the appropriate amount of anesthesia, but the office chose to ignore this information anyway. So halfway through the operation, I wake up to the most unbelievable nightmare-they're still operating on my mouth! I remember screaming from the pain and I kicked so hard that my shoe flew off my foot and hit the wall! Later on, I get a bill in the mail, and that asshole had the audacity to charge me for the extra anesthesia they used on me to put me back to sleep from their own fuckup-are you fucking kidding me??!! I never paid that bill

I see this episode is a couple of years old, but I don't think I've ever seen this one. Thanks for the heads up Dan! Yeah, that footage is jaw-dropping. This was also the topic on the History Channel's 'Shockwave' which is how I learned so much more of the story behind this crash, which is exactly how you described it above. I always wondered about the wing coming off and apparently it hit a coral reef, otherwise that portion of the plane would've stayed relatively intact. Agree that the captain was a hero, operating under horrific circumtances.

John Patton's Understanding: Harold Alexander (fl, ts) Hugh Walker (d).

Glad to hear that, Ghost. I was getting worried about you sweltering away in that oppressive NE Ohio weather*. Thanks! This has been a weird summer so far. One week its near 100 degrees, then the next week its in the low 60's. I really do like the other seasons here, but the summers here are just nuts.

Got a copy of NYAQ on the way, so I'm pretty excited to hear it based on what I've read above.

Good topic Rooster-I like these kind of threads where we explore the work of an artist that doesn't have a huge output as a leader but turn out to be an excellent sideman where ever they appear. James Spaulding comes to mind, for example. The only Ray I have is with Sun Ra. I haven't listened to any Ra with Ray on it in awhile, so I'm going by memory of how the music hit me with Ray on it. On a sidenote, I'd be interested in how Ra found and hired Ray to begin with: did Ra hear him on a Kool and the Gang record or saw him live? Concerning the records, I like him on Strange Celestial Road quite a bit, especially the freak out at the beginning and then how it settles into that funky groove. I also like him on Sunrise in Different Dimensions as well, but probably my favorite apearance is on Somewhere Else-a particularly strong date in my opinion with great playing all around. I'm going by memory, so I think this would be a good opportunity to pull these cd's out again and give them a spin.

Pretty nice for a change; its in the 60's tonight!

The four Ping sides. Any details about dates, sidemen etc?

Happy birthday you guys!

Just won on Ebay: New York Art Quartet-ESP/Calibre Can't wait to hear this one!

$3.95 tonight.

[quote name='Late' date='Jun 30 2008, 07:06 PM' post='803994' Just out of curiosity — what would you guys consider the most "obscure" or least-known Hill?

Thanks for posting that. Andrew and Richard were a brilliant team. His BN output, for me, is one of the greatest recorded bodies of work. Just amazing stuff.

If we can allow a conga player, then John Patton's Boogaloo would suffice: Vincent McEwan (tp), Harold Alexander (fl, ts), George Edward Brown (d) Richie 'Pablo' Landrum (cga)

Steady rain this morning which at least took an edge off the heat.