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Be that as it may, and with all due respectfor individual taste: If you took a poll of all the really good pop arrangers all over the world like Andre Previn, John Mandel, Marion Evans, Bob Brookmeyer, Don Sebeskey, Sam Nestico, Jonathan Tunick, Allen Broadbent,John Williams, ( including the ones you've cited Riddle and Ogerman )... I'll bet you any amount of money ALL of them to a man would cite Bob Farnon as a major influence on the craft of orchestral writing in the 20tht century.

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To those who know me a bit, you'd quickly find out that probably my two biggest influences as a composer/arranger are Bill Holman and Bob Farnon: I just received this terrible news from a friend in England. >>Dear Phil I have just heard that Bob passed away in the early hours of this morning. He was 87. He was working right up to the end having just completed his Third Symphony,a Concerto for Basson,and a Wind Symphony. Working so hard I\'m sure he must have know time was running out. We shall never see his like again. Best Mal This is really a terrible loss to the community of composers. As my friend said, they'll never be another of his stature. Farnon was without a doubt the best pop orchestral writer in the world, as well as having jazz projects with JJ Johnson, George Shearing, Dizzy Gillespie, and many fine vocalists like Tony Bennett and Frank Sinatra in his 60plus year career .. RIP Bob .. Phil Kelly __________________

I'd go with Von Karajan /Berlin SO version of "Transfigured night" ( I too prefer his earlier " Proto Romatic" work in general ) Also the Berg Violin Concerto w/ Anne-Sophine Mutter /James Levine /Chicago SO is quite nice. If you prefer the earlier Schoenberg stuff, you might wanna try Witold Lutoslowskis' " Variations on a theme by Paganini " ..and compare it to the more well known Rachmaninov opus ..

I remember Arnie from his 5tet w/ Doc S days back in the 60s .. Great guy, great teacher, great open minded musician .. RIP Arnie: BTW: that makes three: NHOP, Stan Levey , and now Arnie L.

I prefer to use namebrand stuff ( particularly Sony CD-Rs ) to lessen the coaster factor .. I purchased a spindle of 100 Sonys from Digital Orange through Amazon for $34.07

In addition to being a wonderful pianist, George is one sweetheart of a guy to hang with. I worked several of the Bud Shank Clinics in Port Townsend WA with him, and no matter what health issues he was dealing with, he was always cheerful and fun to be around. I sure hope this latest setback is only a passing one .. ( I just looked and hes still listed as faculty for this years Centrum clinic, so hopefully, he'll be well enough to participate )

That's a pository here: However, as a player, most of my recordings were of the commercial nature, or jingles of film music, etc. As a writer , I've done several jazz projects along with MANY non jazz ones!

Creed Taylor + ( jazz artist ) + original rhythm date w/ soloist + overwhelming desire to put his "stamp" on the production + Don Sebesky ( usually ) = overdubbed jazz record ( with varying degrees of success, enhancement , malodourous bad taste, interference, or artistic success ) your mileage may vary greatly on this issue ...

Since you heard it in that context, it may have come from a music library since the song is PD, and someone just whomped out a jazz version of it.

My current favorite musical advertising rape is the one chord punk rock reworking of "Wouldn't it be Loverly" for Hampton Inn .. rates a 12 on the barf -o -meter!

For more information on Graettinger, you might try this link: http://www.library.unt.edu/music/kenton/graettinger.htm

If you like the Graettinger stuff, I strongly recommend you dig into some of the 20th Century composers like Xenias (sp?), Pierre Boulez, Arnold Schenberg, Alban Berg, Gyorgi Lighetti, Morton Feldman, Witold Lutoslowski, and many more. Some of these guys will REALLY pin your ears back!!

David G just beat me to it with THE FOX I always liked Frank because at the time he was recording, I always felt he played a lot more like an East Coast Guys than the general run of LA guys ..a lot more aggressive time feel.

Hi Clint: I too , post over here as well as JC and yes, I do enjoy the fact that it seems the overall atmosphere in general is a bit more copacetic. Flaming and bad demeanor are a part and parcel of the i/net ..and I admit to losing my cool as well on various occasions, but music seems to be more of a focus over here. I too think Lois ocaasionally gets to get a bit weird, but basically I love her, and she's helped me a lot with my website over there. BTW: Danny D HAS posted over here on various occasions and to the best of my knowledge, is still deemed acceptable . Maybe you and I can convince him to show up more often ( being funny and knowledgeable , and bagging the miscogynous b*****t!

Product Report: Quadrinome: Okay, for $ 15 , I downloaded this puppy, and I've really had fun playing with it all day long! It's very user friendly and WILL superimpose four simultaneous rhythms ( from one to thirteen ! ) with different sounds and play them back at varying speeds.. y'all have yer choice of latin sounds, drum kit, or metronome ( like the old trinome ) I've already contacted the developer of this thing and suggested he work up a way to export this stuff via MIDI for very strange multiple click tracks, for one thing .. the possibilities are endless!

I think this is the same guy that invented ( or marketed in the US ( the Billoti "Trinome" back in the 60s ..it was a matronome that allowed you to program up to 3 different simutaneous subdivisions upon one another ( i..e. 4 against 3 against 7 ..or whatever else you could dream up ) I don't even know if the mechanical device itself is still being made, but maybe Dahlgren ( or someone) has devised a software version. This might prove to be an independence helper if still available .. edit: I did a little search ..check this out: http://www.oberlin.edu/con/bkstage/200005/...n_jonathan.html and HERES the computer program version! ..taa daaa !!! http://luckymedia.com/Quadranome/

SoulS: Before you totally decide to bag it, please re read my post ( somthing around #85 ) on this thread about my experiences .. If music becomes your serious "hobby" , and the frustrations of trying to make a living from it are moved, you will probably really begin to "enjoy" music again ..as I found I did. I'm now 67, and I turn down ALL gigs that even beging to smell like "work" ..and am enjoying myself immensely on the ones I do take.

Your post reminded me of Monty Python's 'Life of Brian'. Indeed what is the world coming to? Che. The crossbow site reminds me of something that outta turn up HERE: http://www.landoverbaptist.org/ this is REALLY "goofy stuff on the web "

Sadly, Seattle is a bit of a theme park. I miss the grit in a big way. Not one person has told me to shut the fuck up since I've moved out here! I'll make you a deal: Drive about 87 mi N to Bellingham, and I'll be glad to tell you to go f**k yourself! ( Former LA, Dallas, and NYC guy GLAD to be in the cool green Pacific Northwest! ) BTW: Seattle may seem a bit of a theeme park to youse, but there are some M********R jazz players up here!!

Excellent question ..I remember this kid from the 70s, but until he was brought up here, I hadn't heard or thought of him since then..ther's no question he was an amazing talent. The upside hopefully might be that he just disappeared into the world of anonymous studio guys and is making a great living playing sessions, films , etc. BUT: I know a lot of the working studio guys and I've not seen his name appear anywhere. ( I'll make a couple inquiries ) The Downside might be he just got fed up with the music "business" and went into teaching or sosme other line of work entirely. Speaking of young pianists with young groups, the first 2 CDS by Seattle born Aaron Parks ( now in NYC working with Terence Blanchard, I think ) utilized his high school rhythm section, which was very proficient.

Heres an attempt at a serious answer: AS someone who literally worked in the music business as a drummer/arranger /composer / producer my eintire 40 year working life, I can state several truths ( at least they are for me ): 1. Very little of what I did had any connection with "jazz" per se ..aside from the odd rehearsal band or session .. 2. To enable yourself tot survive in the above career, most of what you are forced to play or write will not be to your taste, but you still have to learn how to deal with it effectively or you won't have any clients. 3. the crappy music you can learn to deal with on autopilot ..it's the" Clients" that will eventually get to you. 4. Taking 1,2,and 3 into consideration, burnout is pretty well nigh a sure thing. However: 5. After retiring, relocating to the NW, and after five years totally away from music, after my late wife died, I found myself actually "interested" in jazz again through some coaching at a couple jazz clinics. Eventually, I started writng and producing again , but only for "fun" ..stuff I WANTED to do. (no clients ) Now I can honestly say, I do have the greatest "hobby" in the world ( and one that I'm already experienced with and merely going through a period of re-acquaintment with ..and I'm gradually stretching the barriers again ..just like when I was 20 and learning jazz the first time. All this has led to a new "career" as a jazz producer ..and the issuing of my first ( so far ) CD in my 40 some year career as a musician, as well as several other FUN jazz projects along the line. true story ..

Some other good overlooked big band CDs: Carl Saunders: Big Bebop Band Jim Knapp Orch : Secular Breathing * John Fedchock: several albums or out Bill Holman: View from the other side Kim Richmond: Refractions * oh yeah, I almost forgot .. Phil Kelly: Convergence Zone * * these three available from Origin Records website and/or bigbandjazz.net

Raksin was one of the really under rated film composers of the so called "Golden Era" in Hollywood. ( Along with guys Like Hugo Friedhofer, Alex North, and Leonard Rosenmann ) In addition, Raksin was a very witty man with a lot of great stories and insight into the movie scoring process . I went to several seminars he conducted and spent several moments with him one to one as well ..a very charming man and great rancouteur!

That was really supremely helpful in identifying the personnell ..while managing to diss at lease two minorities in the process .. ( i.e. : latinos, fat people, and southern stereotypes ) and not a word about how well they did their gig ..