clifford_thornton

"EI: Yeah, they gave up that phase "black music" awhile back, but it is interesting to remember that there was that rhetoric for at least a decade. I don’t think Cecil says "Africa" too much any more, either, which is just as well, since any record of the whitest British rock has more to do with Africa than any Cecil Taylor record of the last 40 years." Could Iverson BE the next Crouch?

I've got the Turtle of the Osborne (that one and the John Taylor 'Pause and Think Again'). The 'Outback' by the way did come out on CD (FMP?) - not sure if it's still in print. FMR did bootlegs of those Turtle sessions. They're interesting, though I'm not sure I'd say anything watershed occurs on them. Not for me, anyway. The Howard Riley is pretty cool, though. Is bootleg really the proper terminology here? I was always always under the impression that they at least got Osborne's permission... (and so I'm still, on some level, smarting at the sheer volume of bootlegs/sordid releases coming out of the UK/SA jazz reissue axis) Well, Osborne being under longtime care for mental illness(es), the thought of him giving permission is kind of surprising. I was told that the Turtle reissues were unauthorized (by a reliable source), but I'd be pleased to hear something different and more reliable.

I think both factors are interesting on their own. Combined, look out!

Very interesting. Thanks. Your comment about Ogun being a poor-selling endeavour is curious, too - though I guess they were pressed in larger numbers and sold elsewhere in Europe, and also in the States. I haven't had much trouble finding original Ogun LPs, but the only Turtle vinyl I've seen was at a friend's house, who got three of them for VERY cheap...

That one on Clean Feed is nice. For whatever reason, reminds me a bit of the Gare-Prevost AMM duo, though I feel the intent is different. I never regretted being thrown out of the Empty Bottle for muttering shit-talk to a friend about Glenn Kotche's "drumming" in a trio with Butcher and Lonberg-Holm. I guess Kotche's too cool have his improv talents questioned...

I've got the Turtle of the Osborne (that one and the John Taylor 'Pause and Think Again'). The 'Outback' by the way did come out on CD (FMP?) - not sure if it's still in print. FMR did bootlegs of those Turtle sessions. They're interesting, though I'm not sure I'd say anything watershed occurs on them. Not for me, anyway. The Howard Riley is pretty cool, though.

Inspired by another thread: Patty Waters - College Tour - (ESP orig)

Happy Birthday Noj, from Droffilc... Hope it's a good'n!

Unless you're talking about this one...

Count me curious...

So you're spinning the original Turtle? Nice...

Gato Barbieri - In Search of the Mystery (ESP orig) A blowing session, for sure, but strong in many respects.

It'll be nice to see the Kenny Cox out. Cool stuff.

Each good on their own, natch... I far prefer Ouzo.

In memoriam: Leroy Jenkins/Rashied Ali - Swift Are the Winds of Life (Survival) Revolutionary Ensemble - Manhattan Cycles (India Navigation) Leroy Jenkins - For Players Only (JCOA) ...more to come, I am sure.

Double-fisting coffee and Franziskaner.

When I had a radio station in college, I called it "Revolutionary Ensembles" for obvious reasons. I had the pleasure of seeing him solo and with other groups a number of times, all excellent gigs. But perhaps the most interesting was running into him on the street in NY when I was younger. I said "Leroy Jenkins?" He was sort of surprised and was like "um, yes?" and I proceeded to follow him on his errands and talk about the music, and he graciously didn't shoe me away. It was really something for me at that time, and still is. Rest in peace, Leroy. You will be missed.

FUCK.

Had four Kostritzers last night, while spinning a stack of LPs and playing a mad game of Boggle. Awesome!

I've wanted those UA LPs. Maybe I'll keep an eye out for this one!

You don't have this? It's wonderful!

Frippe Nordstrom - Natural Music - (Bird Notes) Heavy Swedish solo alto and duo with bassist Sven Hessle.

Ornette - Town Hall 1962 - (ESP) white label mono, pencil-sketch jacket A classic. Too bad the other material taped has not surfaced as of yet.

You'd have to use both... She's underground. Those just cover the tips.

...and when they leave, throw on The Forest and The Zoo!