Cliff Englewood

Nice porn pictures there! I had buyer's remorse for about 10 seconds. Then when I slid the white box open...and here I thought I was immune to miniature faithful reproduction. (I imagine the designers are also model railroaders.) And yeah, as said the sound (most important part) is so fuggin' great. I do play these a bit louder than most of my CDs. Play it loud since it's not a "loudness war" victim! Thanks for posting those photos. I'm almost ready to take the plunge. Must.... resist.... Don't resist, do it. :g I had the ole buyer's remorse until I got it home and opened it up and realised, "ah, this is why it's so expensive, it's perfect". The sound on the Mono set will blow even the most jaded Beatles fan away, especially if it's your first time hearing them.

This is a real pity, I am awaiting a large shipment from him myself, should be here early next week, it will have a few new CDs in it which I'm sure he went to a bit of trouble to get for me. Strange he didn't mention this to me because I am a fairly regular customer and usually get a few new things from him with every order. :rcry

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I had it and got rid of it, it just seemed a bit under rehearsed and sloppy to me, but it did have one or two good moments and the interview in the liners was quite good as well.

Totally agree with you there, however I would add this one as essential if you're a "Revolution in the Head" fan, it's just as much as an eye opener. Cliff, According to Amazon's website, this book will not be available in the U.S. until June of next year but is currently available from Amazon.uk. Wonder what's up with that? At any rate, and more to the point, here's an interesting review of the Doggett book. Also mentioned therein are plans for a three volume biography by Mark Lewisohn that will begin in 2011. I must say, that sounds intriguing. http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertai...tt-1792698.html Up over and out. Yea, I don't know what is up with that book not being available in the US until next year, it seems odd considering the current Beatle mania that it isn't ready to go. I'm not sure the review does the book justice though, I don't really think, "Doggett's book is essentially a sequel to Richard DiLello's account of "the wild rise and fall" of the Apple empire, The Longest Cocktail Party, published in 1972", it's a bit more detailed than that, but he is right in that, "Doggett's arcane detail will be too much for all but diehard fans", it's not for the faint hearted.

Totally agree with you there, however I would add this one as essential if you're a "Revolution in the Head" fan, it's just as much as an eye opener.

I think it was mentioned earlier but I believe Lennon said something to the effect that if you haven't heard Peppers in Mono you haven't heard Peppers. Harrison said he only heard the Stereo version on the 70's and didn't like what he heard. I've said it before but I never really liked Pepper as a whole album before I heard the Mono version on the new re-issue, I liked some of the songs but the whole thing just seems to flow better in Mono. And "She's Leaving Home" is like a different song in Mono. However, if you're on a budget I think you can avoid "Let It Be", it really is the worst of the lot, when you read a few of the books mentioned in this thread and find out the circumstances under which it was recorded, it's not hard to see why.

I finished this a while ago myself and would agree 100% with your comments, especially the "quite depressing" one. It shows that they really started breaking up around MMT and it was basically a very slow, painful death. I think I mentioned it further up the thread that after you read this, none of them come out of it looking good, Paul in particular, he really does come across as a complete arsehole, the "McCartney Overide" and the whole McCartney/Lennon thing being the iceing and the cherry on that particular cake. I think that "Revolution in the Head" and "You Never Give Me Your Money" are probably the definitive works on the Fab Four, great "warts and all" pieces of work, although I haven't started reading "Shout" by Philip Norman yet, but it's supposed to be excellent. They make a great trio of Beatles books. :tup

Cheers, PM on the way.

Pete, or indeed anyone else, do you have anymore info. on this one; various West Coast Tenors - Xanadu (Perk, Kamuca, Montrose) 10 Is it a compilation or new recordings?

It does, dramatically so. I'm nearly sure I posted something further up the thread about the Stereo MMT, I was quite surprised at how bad it sounded in comparison to the Mono, IATW in particular, there is a convoluted explanation given in the booklet detailing how the Stereo IATW was produced, which kinda explains why the Mono sounds better.

Try the new version of "Abbey Road", I think you will be pleasently suprised.

Yep, a 350 with a CC added in place of the neck P90. Barney Kessel's beloved Gibson was also a 350 with a CC in place of a P90. Barney modified/altered his a lot more, though. I think I have a few beauties, but there are a LOT more beauties that I had to sell or trade in order to get the next beauty I wanted. Still married to my high school sweetheart, though. I'll try to get a photo up for you. Please do, the more the merrier. :tophat:

I've been following the vintage market closely for over 20 years, and it always surprises me how many 150's actually come up for sale. They're really not as elusive as some people would have you think. I think part of it was the declining demand for archtops for many years, particularly non-cutaway archtops. Now an ES250 is another matter altogether. Those are extremely rare. I think a lot of people confuse the two. I had one back in the mid-80's, which I traded a couple of guitars for at a shop in SF. It was a '53 (pre-switchmaster), sunburst, and a beautiful, clean, all original example. It played and sounded fine, but I eventually traded it for a '51 ES350 (two pickup version) plus an amp. The 350 was more practical for my purposes (I tend to prefer just using the neck pickup on most multi-pickup guitars), and played and sounded even better than the ES5. I think Tal had a lovely ES - 350, the one that had the P90 at the bridge and the CC pickup at the neck, I think it was a 350 any way, you can kinda see it in these pics. Mind you Tal did have quite a few nice Gibsons over the years. Jim you should post a few pics of some of your collection, sounds like there are some beauties there.

Then you should be suspicious of Johnny E, too. Cliff, that "ill-informed" line really does come off as haughty/snobby. ....and since we're talking "ill-informed," it might be worth the effort to actually do a wee bit of basic research before commenting on someone's posting style. A basic search of his posting history from April, 2007 forward clearly shows that -- with 2 lone exceptions -- his first 70 posts were in the music forums -- and it was only in February of this year that he seems to have put down roots in the pol forum. Maybe I should have said his focus seemed to be the Political form, and I certainly didn't mean to be haughty/snobby, just stating a fact, for me he didn't really add anything to the Music based forms, at least the ones I read that he contributed too, but I haven't read all his posts.

ED150??? Is that a typo or something I've never heard of before??? Yeah, it's a typo. As ES 150. Sorry, 'bout that! No problem, I thought you had discovered a new type of Gibson. :D I would say it would be very difficult to find an ES-150 in decent condition now. I would think that whoever bought them back then must have been professional musicians as it would have been an expensive item and not really something just to play at home. Did you or Jim R ever play an ES - 5??? I think after something with a CC pickup, an ES - 5 would be a close second dream axe. I mean 3 P90s and no selector switch, that's got to be fun. :excited:

Hi Vic, Do you keep them in the boxes? I've found I play mine a *lot* more by taking them out of the boxes and putting the jewel cases on the shelf with other cds. greg mo I have the same issue as Victor and I've already tried Greg's advice. :D I just don't play the damn things enough, so inspired by Stephen Colbert, I have started to put a lot of them "On Notice". :o

Yes, I refer to that one a lot, together with Robert Gordon's Jazz West Coast, used copies of which are still available. Gordon's annotated discography confirms many of the recommendations made in this thread. I have only read the Robert Gordon book and would recommend it as a great overview, I'd love to get my paws on Gioia's book though. I'd also recommend some of the Jimmy Guiffre "3" recordings, not strictly West Coast jazz I know but it's in a similar vein.

I remember being a bit disappointed with that one but I haven't listened to it in ages, I'll have to re-investigate it. Pleased to have my feeling confirmed, Cliff. I am far happier with Perkins and Kamuca's Tenors Head On. I think the problem with the Cohn/Perkins/Kamuca session is that none of them really get a chance to strech out at all, all the tunes are quite short, IIRC. Ah, but "Tenors Head On", nothing but pure :wub: :wub: for that one, great cover too.

I would definately add The Beatles (The White Album) to the stereo CDs you've picked up. I find it to be fantastic (more revealing than even Abbey Road) in its new re-issue version (though I don't have the mono box yet to compare, so maybe others can chime in, but from what I've read the stereo version of the White Album does offer some -- though not all -- advantages over the mono version, more detail in some areas even if a little less hard driving. I'd go along with that, the Mono White Album is the least impressive of the Mono set, it's still good but not as dramatic as say the difference between the two Peppers.

ED150??? Is that a typo or something I've never heard of before???

You might be right but the fans hate both of the owners, I don't myself as they bought Torres for circa £22 million when the most Liverpool had spent before that was around £12 - £14 million. The problem was they promised a lot then the credit crisis hit and their whole empires are built on credit, so they were fucked. The sad thing is I think he may have a point, Rafa really needs to win something big with the club this year or maybe it's time for him to go, I mean he's in his sixth year now.

I must say I am always a bit suspect about people who come on here and post mainly in the politics form, there must be loads of purely political fourms on the WWW, why go to a Jazz board to do so, Bixieland never really posted in the music threads and when did it was usually asking fairly ill informed questions.IMHO.

What's the vintage of your L5N/CC??? And what are those CC pickups really like??? My L5 is a '66, which was special-ordered with the CC. CC's are somewhat tricky animals to control, but to me, even if you have to sacrifice some aspect of the sound to control noise, they're still magical. I recommend this article: http://www.kokomomusic.com/pages/corner.html also interesting: What makes a Charlie Christian pickup a Charlie Christian pickup? Thank you for posting that link. I've literally been scraping together bits and pieces of technical information about CC's for years, and this will add nicely to what I already had. By the time I get it all figured out, I'll probably be playing another instrument... like a harp. Nice one, I'd love to have a Gibson with a CC pickup, I think the desire for one came from this photo below, I think it's an ES-300 with a CC added. If it was good enough for T Bone, it's good enough for me, although I doubt I'll ever own one like his. :(

I'm not sure it's possible to get much cheesier than this. The fact Gibson would be a party to this charade does not speak well of them. Hendrix must be spinning in his grave. Up over and out. I think Gibson kinda went the cheesey route a while ago when they basically give anyone that was ever near a Gibson their own signature model, although this is a new low.