Claude

I don't see a problem with that, it's been done for decades. I recently bought some Shostakovich symphonies recorded by Kurt Sanderling in the 70s for the east german state label. In a typically japanese fashion, these SACD reissues mention in detail the information writen on the tapes, concerning equipment used and the amount of time spent in the studio recording and cutting. I don't remember the exact figures, but cutting took more than 50 hours for one recording. You can imagine the number of take comparisions and cuts involved. But these are highly regarded recordings, and none of the cuts is noticeable. Most recordings with famous orchestras on the "major" labels are now actually recorded live, for economic reasons, usually in 2 or 3 evening performances in the same hall, and then the best (and least noisy) parts are cut together for CD release.

Of course he had to release 100 CDs in 4 years to get his wife's talents finally recognized.

The PDF catalogue (24MB zip file) can be downloaded here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/rx9l3a (the file link is below the Google ads) The link should be valid for 14 days at least.

OK, I'll do it tomorrow. BTW, this is the page where the catalogue was available, but the download doesn't seem to work in the Internet Archive: http://web.archive.org/web/20040705013453/.../ORDERINFO.html

I have the PDF file of the 2004 catalogue, which looks like the printed catalogue, with cover pictures etc. It's 25MB (zipped), so I can't email it, but I could upload it if I find a site that accepts it.

Revenge of the fraudster pianist (Daily Mail)

They have probably included all the Antibes footage that is publicly available, i.e which has been released previously on VHS or aired on TV. This DVD label works like the spanish CD labels, they don't have access to archives but take the material from public sources. Check if there is a masked TV station logo in the picture

I received it today as well. The phishing intent is quite obvious. The user is informed that a payment has been made at his expense, and then follows a link to dispute the transaction. What I find sad is that some ebay sellers seem to sell email adresses to these scammers and to spammers. The mail was sent to my main email adres, which I only use with "serious" webstores and on Ebay.

IIRC, it was generally in the line of "The commercial success is good for Blue Note, in that they can put more money into jazz reissues". There wasn't much enthousiasm for Norah Jones and her music.

At least we're still important enough for Blue Note to continue the flow of RVG reissues.

Hi, Are you aware that MFSL and DCC are not the same label?

It's great these are finally being remastered ... The Cannonball was reissued by Fantasy on K2-remastered CD and SACD already, the Monk and Wes on K2 CD, and the Dorham was partially in the Sonny Rollins "Freelance Years" box.

Thanks Niko, I ordered these (and I already have some of the others): 1 505443 MONTREUX TWO... 6.99 6.99 <--- Archie Shepp 1 501522 SIX LITTLE PIECES FO... 4.99 4.99 1 505598 TO ORNETTE - Hybrid... 4.99 4.99 1 505594 ABACUS... 4.99 4.99 1 501524 FOUR AND FIVE... 4.99 4.99 1 505597 RAMASURI... 4.99 4.99 1 505591 SCATTERED CLOUDS... 4.99 4.99 1 505596 BY THE LAW OF MUSIC... 4.99 4.99 1 501518 RED CUBE(d).... 4.99 4.99 1 505595 L'HEURE BLEUE... 4.99 4.99 1 505602 EVEN THE SOUNDS SHIN... 4.99 4.99

The Complete Blue Note Elvin Jones Sessions (#195) DISC ONE: 1. Reza (A) 7:11 (Edu Lobo-Ruy Guerra) 2. Sweet Little Maia (A) 7:46 (Jimmy Garrison) 3. Keiko's Birthday March (A) 6:48 (Elvin Jones) 4. Village Greene (A) 5:08 (William Greene) 5. Jay-Ree (A) 3:48 (Joe Farrell) 6. For Heaven's Sake (A) 5:04 (Meyer-Bretton-Edward) 7. Gingerbread Boy (A) 5:10 (Jimmy Heath) 8. In The Truth (B) 5:00 (Joe Farrell) 9. What Is This? (B) 7:06 (Jimmy Garrison) 10. Ascendant (B) 5:12 (Jimmy Garrison) DISC TWO: 1. Yesterdays (B) 5:37 (O. Harbach-J. Kern) 2. Sometimes Joie (B) 10:36 (Jimmy Garrison) 3. We'll Be Together Again (B) 3:04 (F. Laine-C. Fischer) 4. Inner Space © 6:29 (Chick Corea) 5. Once I Loved (O Amor Em Paz) © 6:20 (Jobim-Gilbert-de Moraes) 6. Raynay © 7:55 (Elvin Jones) 7. Champagne Baby © 11:24 (Joe Farrell) 8. Dido Afrique © 11:13 (Elvin Jones) DISC THREE 1. Agenda (D) 13:48 (Elvin Jones) 2. Agappe Love (D) 5:51 (Joe Farrell) 3. Mr. Jones (D) 7:36 (Keiko Jones) 4. Yes (D) 2:22 (Fred Tompkins) 5. Whew (D) 9:33 (Wilbur Little) 6. Shinjitu (E) 7:36 (Keiko Jones) 7. Yesterdays (E) 10:56 (O. Harbach-J. Kern) DISC FOUR: 1. 5/4 Thing (E) 5:24 (George Coleman) 2. Ural Stradania (E) 8:27 (Frank Foster) 3. Simone (E) 6:29 (Frank Foster) 4. P. P. Phoenix (F) 4:59 (Gene Perla) 5. For All The Other Times (F) 10:00 (Gene Perla) 6. Slumber (F) 5:31 (David Liebman) 7. Three Card Molly (F) 8:25 (Elvin Jones) 8. Cecilia Is Love (F) 10:05 (Frank Foster) 9. Who's Afraid…. (F) 4:20 (Frank Foster) DISC FIVE: 1. 'Round Town (G) 3:24 (Gene Perla) 2. Brite Piece (G) 4:44 (David Liebman) 3. Lungs (G) 2:22 (Jan Hammer) 4. A Time For Love (G) 4:46 (J. Mandel-P.F. Webster) 5. Tergiversation (G) 3:25 (A. Wiggens-G. Perla) 6. La Fiesta (G) 6:04 (Chick Corea) 7. The Children's Merry-Go-Round March (G) 2:47 (Keiko Jones) 8. New Breed (H) 6:53 (David Liebman) 9. What's Up - That's It (H) 5:35 (Gene Perla) 10. Soultrane (I) 6:11 (Tadd Dameron) 11. One's Native Place (I) 6:15 (Keiko Jones) 12. G. G. (I) 5:44 (Gene Perla) Perla Music ASCAP DISC SIX: 1. At This Point In Time (K) 7:33 (Frank Foster) 2. Currents/Pollen (K) 11:11 (G. Perla-D. Garcia) 3. The Prime Element (M) 8:18 (Omar Clay) 4. Whims Of Bal (M) 12:22 (Omar Clay) 5. Pauke Tanz (L) 6:22 (Omar Clay) 6. The Unknighted Nations (L) 6:26 (Frank Foster) 7. Don't Cry (L) 7:42 (Keiko Jones) DISC SEVEN: 1. Brite Piece (J) 13:05 (David Liebman) 2. New Breed (J) 11:50 (David Liebman) 3. Sambra (J) 12:58 (Gene Perla) 4. My Ship (J) 8:39 (K. Weill-I. Gershwin) 5. Taurus People (J) 6:05 (Farouq Dawud) 6. Fancy Free (J) 20:49 (Donald Byrd) DISC EIGHT: 1. I'm A Fool To Want You (J) 11:13 (Wolf-Herron-Sinatra) 2. Sweet Mama (J) 15:13 (Gene Perla) 3. The Children, Save The Children (J) 7:42 (Don Garcia) 4. The Children's Merry-Go-Round March (J) 28:08 (Keiko Jones) 5. Small One (J) 6:54 (David Liebman) 6. For All The Other Times (J) 4:11 (Gene Perla) DISCOGRAPHY Only the original US Blue Note LP and CD issues are used for the purpose of this discography. (A) Joe Farrell (ts-1, ss-2, alto fl-3, piccolo-4), Jimmy Garrison (b), Elvin Jones (d). April 8, 1968 The Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ tk.2 Village Greene -1 BST 84282 tk.3 Sweet Little Maia -2 - tk.8 Reza -1 - tk.16 For Heaven's Sake -3 - tk.17 Keiko's Birthday March -4 - tk.24 Gingerbread Boy -1 - tk.27 Jay-Ree -1 - _____________________________________________________________________ (B) Joe Farrell (ts-1, ss-2, fl-3), Jimmy Garrison (b), Elvin Jones (d). September 6, 1968 The Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ tk.3 What Is This? -2 BST 84305 tk.6 In The Truth -1 - tk.9 Ascendant -2 - tk.23 Sometimes Joie -1 - tk.25 Yesterdays -1 - tk.26 We'll Be Together Again -3 - ______________________________________________________________________ © Lee Morgan (tp), Joe Farrell (ts-1,ss-2, fl-3,alto fl-4), George Coleman (ts), Wilbur Little (b), Elvin Jones (d), Candido Camero (cga), Miovelito Valles (perc). March 14, 1969 The Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ tk.1 Dido Afrique -1,3 BN-LA 506-2 tk.4 Champagne Baby -2 (omit Valles) - tk.8 Inner Space -1 (omit Camero, Valles) - tk.14 Raynay -1 - tk.18 Once I Loved (O Amor Em Paz) -4 (omit Coleman) - _______________________________________________________________________ (D) Joe Farrell (ts-1,fl-2,English horn-3), George Coleman (ts), Pepper Adams (bari), Wilbur Little (b), Elvin Jones (d), Candido Camero (cga). September 26, 1969 The Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ tk.1 Mr. Jones-1 BST 84331, BN-LA 110 tk.3 Yes -4 - title unknown -1 (omit Camero) rejected tk.9 Agappe Love-2 BST 84331 tk.12 Whew -1 (omit Adams, Camero) - tk.14 Agenda -3 - -4 Fred Tompkins (fl), Joe Farrell (bass fl), Wilbur Little (b), Elvin Jones (d). _________________________________________________________________________ (E) Frank Foster (ts-1,alto cl-2), George Coleman (ts), Wilbur Little (b) Elvin Jones (d) Candido Camero (cga, tambourine-2). July 17, 1970 The Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ Simone -1 BST 84361 5/4 Thing -1 - Ural Stradania -1 - Yesterdays -1 (omit Camero) - Shinjitu -2 - __________________________________________________________________________ (F) Frank Foster (ts-1,alto fl-2, alto cl-3), Joe Farrell (ts-4,ss-5), David Liebman (ts-6,ss-7), Gene Perla (b, el b-8), Elvin Jones (d). February 12, 1971 The Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ Slumber -6 (omit Foster, Farrell) BST 84369 Cecilia Is Love -1.4,5.6 - P. P. Phoenix -2,4,6 - For All The Other Times -1,4,6 - Three Card Molly -1,4,7 - Who's Afraid… -3,5,7,8 BST 84414 ______________________________________________________________________________ (G) Joe Farrell, David Liebman, Steve Grossman (ts), Jan Hammer (el p), Yoshiaki Masuo (g), Gene Perla (el b), Elvin Jones (d), Don Alias (cga). December 16, 1971 The Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ tk2 'Round Town BST 84414 Joe Farrell, David Liebman, Steve Grossman (ss), Jan Hammer (p), Gene Perla (b), Elvin Jones (d), Don Alias (cga,perc). same session tk.5 Brite Piece BST 84414 Jan Hammer (p), Gene Perla (b), Elvin Jones (d). same session tk.4 Lungs BST 84414 Joe Farrell (fl), Chick Corea (p), Yoshiaki Masuo (g), Gene Perla (b), Elvin Jones (d). same session tk.6 A Time For Love BST 84414 Chick Corea, Jan Hammer (el p), Gene Perla (b), Elvin Jones (d), Don Alias (cga). same session tk.2 Tergiversation BST 84414 Joe Farrell (picc), David Liebman, Steve Grossman (ss), Pepper Adams (bari), Jan Hammer (glockenspiel), Gene Perla (el b), Elvin Jones (d). same session tk.3 The Children's Merry-Go-Round March BST 84414 Joe Farrell (ss), David Liebman (ts,ss), Steve Grossman (ts), Pepper Adams (bari), Chick Corea (p), Gene Perla (el b), Elvin Jones (d), Don Alias (cga). same session tk.2 La Fiesta BST 84414 _____________________________________________________________________ (H) David Liebman, Steve Grossman (ts), Gene Perla (b), Elvin Jones (d). July 12, 1972 The Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ New Breed BN-LA 110 David Liebman (ss), Steve Grossman (ts), Pepper Adams (bari), Jan Hammer (p), Gene Perla (b), Elvin Jones (d),.Frank Ippolito (perc), Carlos Patato Valdes (cga). same session What's Up-That's It BN-LA 110 ______________________________________________________________________ (I) Steve Grossman (ts), Gene Perla (b), Elvin Jones (d), Albert Duffy (tympani), Frank Ippolito (perc). July 13, 1972 The Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ Soultrane BN-LA 110 Thad Jones (flh), David Liebman (fl), Steve Grossman (ss), Jan Hammer (p), Gene Perla (b), Elvin Jones (d), Albert Duffy (tympani), Frank Ippolito (perc), Carlos Patato Valdes (cga). same session One's Native Place BN-LA 110 Thad Jones (flh), David Liebman, Steve Grossman (ts), Jan Hammer (p), Gene Perla (el b), Elvin Jones (d). same session G. G. BN-LA 110 note: This tune was incorrectly listed on BN-LA 110 as Gee Gee. _______________________________________________________________________ (J) David Liebman (fl-1,ss-2,ts-3), Steve Grossman (ss-4,ts-5), Gene Perla (b), Elvin Jones (d). September 9, 1972 Live at The Lighthouse, Hermosa Beach, CA Set No.1 Brite Piece-2,4,5 CD BN 7-84448-2 New Breed-3,5 BN-LA015-2, CD BN 7-84447-2 Sambra-3,5 BN-LA015-2, CD BN 7-84447-2 My Ship-1,5 BN-LA015-2, CD BN 7-84447-2 Taurus People-3,5 CD BN 7-84447-2 Set No.2 Fancy Free-2,5 BN-LA015-2, CD BN 7-84447-2 I'm A Fool To Want You-3 CD BN 7-84448-2 Sweet Mama-3,5 BN-LA015-2, CD BN 7-84448-2 The Children, Save The Children-2,5 BN-LA015-2, CD BN 7-84448-2 Set No.3 The Children's Merry-Go-Round March-1,2,3,5 * CD BN 7-84448-2 Small One-1,4 CD BN 7-84447-2 P.P. Phoneix-1,5 rejected For All The Other Times-3,5 ** CD BN 7-84447-2 * mistitled on CD 7-84448-2 as Children's Merry-Go-Round ** mistitled on CD 7-84447-2 as For All Those Other Times _____________________________________________________________________________ (K) Frank Foster (ss-1,ts-2), Steve Grossman (ss-3,ts-4) Pepper Adams (bari), Jan Hammer (p-5, el p-6, synth-7), Cornell Dupree (g), Gene Perla (b, el b-8), Elvin Jones (d), Candido Camero (cga), Richie 'Pablo' Landrum (perc), Omar Clay (perc, programmable rhythm box), Warren Smith (tympani) July 24, 1973 A & R Recording Studios, NYC tk.2 The Whims Of Bal -2,3,5,7 BN-LA 506-2 CD BN 4-93385-2 tk.2 The Prime Element -1,3,6,7 - - _____________________________________________________________________________ (L) same personnel as (K) July 25, 1973 A & R Recording Studios, NYC tk.1 Don't cry -2,3,5,8 CD BN 4-93385-2 tk.1 Pauke Tanz -2,4,7 - tk.2 The Unknighted Nations -2,3,6,8 - _____________________________________________________________________________ (M) same personnel as (K) July 26, 1973 A & R Recording Studios, NYC tk.1 At This Point In Time -2,3,6 BN-LA 506-2 CD BN 4-93385-2 tk.1 Currents/Pollen -2,4,6,7,8 - - ______________________________________________________________________________ Album Index LPs: BST 84282 Puttin' It Together BST 84305 The Ultimate Elvin Jones BST 84331 Poly-Currents BST 84361 Coalition BST 84369 Genesis BST 84414 Merry-Go-Round BN-LA 015-2 Live At The Lighthouse BN-LA 110 Mr. Jones BN-LA 506-2 The Prime Element CDs CDP 7-84282-2 Puttin' It Together CDP 7-84331-2 Poly-Currents CDP 7-84447-2 Live At The Lighthouse, Volume One CDP 7-84448-2 Live At The Lighthouse, Volume Two CDP 4-93385-2 At This Point In Time Original sessions produced by Duke Pearson (A-B), Francis Wolff (C-F), George Butler (G-J) and Omar Clay (K-M) Remix supervision: Matt Pierson and David Liebman (J) and Bob Belden (K-M) Produced for release by Michael Cuscuna Executive producer: Charlie Lourie Recording engineer: Rudy Van Gelder (A-I), Dino Lappas (J) and Don Hahn (K-M) Remix engineers: Rudy Van Gelder (G-I), Malcolm Addey (J) and Peter Doell (K-M) Mastered using 24-bit analog-to-digital resolution by Ron McMaster, except session J mastered from 16-bit digital mixes. Masters appear courtesy of Blue Note Records, a division of Capitol Records, Inc. Producer's note: Because much of the material used in this set consists of single sessions that produced entire LPs, we've decided, where possible, to retain the original album sequence within a session rather than present it in recorded order of performance. The studios sessions are presented in chronological order, followed by the live Lighthouse session, which occupies the two final discs. For the sake of repeated listenability, the already lengthy Discs Seven and Eight do not include the stage announcements or the audience singing "Happy Birthday" to Elvin Jones, which appeared on the original double LP issue. The out-of-phase sound on the drums on "Simone" (Disc Four, track three) is on the only surviving tape of this performance. The peak clipping of the bass drum at two points on "For All The Other Times" (Disc Four, track five) is in the original recording.

That may be the main reason for many remasterings' crappy sound. Right, a lot of Pro Tools wizards and no experienced engineers. At least as far as pop/rock is concerned, it's often the artist or labels that want the remasters to sound that way (loud and bright), even if the engineer knows better.

Thanks, I don't have toys at home, but I could hide money in some of my 4000 CDs' jewel cases My neighbour's appartment was burglared last year. She (an elderly woman) always keeps money at home. It was in an enveloppe on a desk. The burglar didn't take it, but he searched all the drawers of the desk. He also missed an expensive piece of jewelery that she had received the night before and that was lying open on table in a spare bedroom, whose door was open. The only thing he took was an old wedding ring of her parents, which had mainly emotional value and some very cheap jewelery. I never keep larger sums of money at home, but the idea of leaving a smaller sum for a burglar to go away quickly and not search the whole place seems like a good idea.

This quote attributed to Hatto now seems kind of ironic: http://www.musicweb-international.com/clas..._recordings.htm

Not really. "Thread crapping" is when somebody posts an opinion which is off-topic or suggests that the subject of the thread isn't worth discussing. So when someone opens a thread asking about the sound of a recording, and someone else answers that sound quality doesn't matter because the music is so great, that's "thread crapping", although the term may be too gross for what happened in this thread. BTW, we're still miles away from the discussions on the "other forum", where they are are comparing 43 different pressings of "Dark side of the moon" ...

I fully agree with that, as long as you don't write reviews in which you state that the new CD is the best sounding version. In that case you should have done comparisions beforehand, because some readers will rely on your judgement.

http://www.audaud.com/article.php?ArticleID=2458 Nice writing, but what does it say? I have the DCC version of this disc, and it doesn't sound muddy it all (nor does it sound bright). I've heard a few Prestige RVG editions, and some sounded too compressed indeed. Compression is something that some people with limited listening time or equipment often don't notice. It gets fatigueing in the long run. When it comes to the sound of reissues, I've found that commercial publications cannot be trusted. They ALWAYS prefer the newest editions. Maybe they cannot allow themselves to be critical about the sound, as their income depends on advertisement (notice that Audiophile Audition has a banner ad for the RVG series). When something's wrong with the sound, you'll have to read between the lines of the review to find it out. If a disc gets 3 stars for the sound (in a scale of 5), it means that it is unlistenable Audiophile Auditition has this typical american cheerleading reviewing style (which has now been taken over by the european hif press as well) which makes for entertaining reading, but is not useful as a buying guide (I know that hifi components should never be bought based on reviews alone). Every product gets a clear recommendation, it's only the degree of enthusiasm of the reviewer that varies. So every buyer of the product will be comforted in his purchasing decision. Jackie McLean - 4, 5, 6: http://www.audaud.com/article.php?ArticleID=2456 This album was previously (in 2001) reissued as a K2 remaster. A comparision between those 2 CDs would have been most useful. Sonny Rollins - Plus 4: http://www.audaud.com/article.php?ArticleID=2407 Better than the MFSL SACD? Reviewer John Henry at least tried to substantiate his claims with a listening comparision in his "Cookin'" review (but he was lacking the necessary editions of this session do do a proper A/B comparision): http://www.audaud.com/article.php?ArticleID=2392

I'll do my best I now use this link to do my shopping: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/aff_search.php

Jim, is there a referrer link for Amazon sites that can be clicked before doing a search on the Amazon site itself? Like with CD Universe. I´m currently buying lots of DVDs on Amazon.de and .co.uk , but I don't know how to search for them with the forum search mask, which seems to work with music items only. Or is it possible to do a random search to get the referrer credit and then switch to the movie search on the Amazon site? I would like to make Org benefit from these purchases, even if it takes a few more mouse clicks

I don't think any recording engineer recorded a session in a way to make it sound good on the playback equipment available at the time. What they did was change the sound during the mastering of the vinyl record. So the LP sounded different from the tape. Under these conditions, Hoffman is right to try to transfer the original recording tape to CD or LP as faithfully as possible, because the tape sounds closest to the actual recording, although it may differ from the sound that people can hear on the original pressings.

Depending on which OJC pressing you have, it may have been made from the same digital transfer used for the OJC CD and therefore include the same defects.

The italian store Jazzos is offering the complete Philology catalogue at a reasonable price (13.30€/CD). I haven't dealt with them yet. http://www.jazzos.com