pryan Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 I think he was speaking "Canadian". That's what they talk like in Canadia. No dooot aboot it, eh? We just received a large helping of the white stuff today. "It's begining to look a lot like Christmas", as the song goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 So the shipment from Columbia got thru customs without any problems! B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pryan Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 So the shipment from Columbia got thru customs without any problems! B-) Yeah and, surprisingly, they didn't even charge me duty for it! War on drugs, my ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJ Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 (edited) Well I for one am happy that I still have ALL of Jackie's Prestige albums to explore...outside of Blue Notes, I just have DYNASTY (the "comeback" mentioned above) and FAT JAZZ which was I think on Jubilee and I really dig the tuba there. No Prestiges at all. With the possible pending demise of much of the OJC catalog, I will begin my Jackie Prestige exploration SOON. Just one other comment on all this "this label output was artist X's 'classic' stuff, while this label output was inferior" stuff. OK, maybe so on one level, but why is it that often I find that for my favorite artists the less "perfect," less heralded dates are the ones that I find myself returning to more over time? I think it may vary for different listeners, but I find that a steady diet of the sublime would make for a boring, boring existance. It's more fun sometimes to fill in the gaps and have your brain ask "what might have been?" for merely good music. Edited December 7, 2004 by DrJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Besides Dynasty, can anyone recommend a good Jackie McLean CD that includes his son René? I saw the two of them together in New York a few years ago, and René is quite a performer in his own right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Rites Of Passage is excellent as well. Also on Triloka. Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 With the possible pending demise of much of the OJC catalog, I will begin my Jackie Prestige exploration SOON. While I don't have all the Jackie Prestige dates, from those I have, I'd say ... you're in for a big treat. I'd personally recommend starting with Long Drink of the Blues and Jackie & Co., and then explore from there. The K-2 of 4,5 & 6 sounds great, and is a fine session, but doesn't quite have the sparkle (in my book) that the former two have. Can't lose with Jackie's Pal, either. Have fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 Had a Jackie-Prestige fest last night, and have to say ~ this one is a fine, if under-remarked, specimen: It might be the strongest sleeper of the bunch. (Though Long Drink is still my favorite.) Bertrand (just out of curiosity) — How did you identify Webster Young in the "argument" that starts off Long Drink? It seems to me that Jackie's arguing with Paul Chambers. I could be wrong, of course, but it seems like the argument is about when the bass should come in. "Gilly" is the particularly low voice (it seems) that comes in later. At any rate, just wondering ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 Just listened to Long Drink again. It is Paul Chambers that Jackie's arguing with — you can hear Jackie say "I'm gonna hafta beg you to play ... play Paul, play, play ... " Now, maybe Webster's the one that tries to calm Jackie down ... I can't tell. Still, it's interesting to try to visualize the six of them there with Rudy behind the controls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pryan Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Just listened to Long Drink again. It is Paul Chambers that Jackie's arguing with — you can hear Jackie say "I'm gonna hafta beg you to play ... play Paul, play, play ... " Now, maybe Webster's the one that tries to calm Jackie down ... I can't tell. Still, it's interesting to try to visualize the six of them there with Rudy behind the controls. I don't think I would mess around with P.C. I wonder what Jackie was complaining about. Maybe the dope was messing with his brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Late, I'm pretty sure that's Webster trying to calm Jackie down (the one who says 'you're making a mountain out of a molehill'). I recognize his voice since I knew him, albeit much later in life. Webster was always very soft-spoken. Jeffro, I listened to Rites of Passage again - it's even better than I remembered. 'Naima's Tone Poem' is one of those performances that make you feel good to be alive. You know the kind I mean. Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Late, I'm pretty sure that's Webster trying to calm Jackie down (the one who says 'you're making a mountain out of a molehill'). I recognize his voice since I knew him, albeit much later in life. Webster was always very soft-spoken. Jeffro, I listened to Rites of Passage again - it's even better than I remembered. 'Naima's Tone Poem' is one of those performances that make you feel good to be alive. You know the kind I mean. Bertrand. I also like Rites of Passage. One album not mentioned in this thread, or I just missed it is New Wine in Old Bottles. Very nice date from 1978 (actually I think this was the album right before the disastrous Monuments). Hank Jones on piano, Ron Carter on bass, and Tony Williams on drums. It is on Inner City Records, licensed from East West. I don't believe this ever made it to CD (in the US anyway), which is a shame. They revisit two McLean songs -- Appointment in Ghana Again and Little Melonae Again, plus Confirmation and a stretched out Round Midnight, plus two other tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 I have an LP facsimile Japanese CD of this. Jackie tears up 'Bein' Green', Kermit's theme song. Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pryan Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 I'm going to buy 4, 5 and 6 today. My first sampling of the fifties stuff, with Jackie as a leader. I have heard him as a sideman in the 50s and dig it. Jackie is a guy who I could see myself being a "completist" with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 My first sampling of the fifties stuff, with Jackie as a leader. ... Jackie is a guy who I could see myself being a "completist" with. I think you're going to like the Prestige stuff. I've been listening to it again recently, and am really appreciating it more than before. Here's a question for Jackie discographers: On February 15, 1957, Jackie recorded at least 11 tracks (totalling over 66 minutes of music) with Mal Waldron, Arthur Phipps, and Art Taylor, which were then spread across four Prestige albums. Does anyone know the original recording order from this day's work? I'm interested in putting together a "complete" February 15, 1957 disc. Also make sure to check out Jackie on Gene Ammons' jam sessions. He's in sharp form there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 I Hear A Rhapsody Embraceable You I Never Knew These Foolish Things Our Love Is Here To Stay I Cover The Waterfront What's New Old Folks Bean And The Boys Strange Blues Outburst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Thanks Chuck. Interesting that Jackie closed the day with a burner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pryan Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 (edited) My first sampling of the fifties stuff, with Jackie as a leader. ... Jackie is a guy who I could see myself being a "completist" with. I think you're going to like the Prestige stuff. I've been listening to it again recently, and am really appreciating it more than before. 4, 5 and 6 is a great album, IMO. Sweet rhythm section (Prestige regulars, according to the back blurb) and really beautiful playing from the leader. I like the first tune ("Sentimental Journey") quite a bit, as does my girlfriend who dubbed it her new favorite song. Really diggin' the version of "Confirmation" also. I going to have to order a bunch of these Prestige sessions with Jackie's name on them. Edited January 17, 2005 by pryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 I'm going to have to order a bunch of these Prestige sessions with Jackie's name on them. Check out this search. Also try Two Trumpets on Prestige, featuring Art Farmer and Donald Byrd. Jackie's on that one, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Looking at the cover of Jackie McLean & Co., one member of the sextet is missing, and I can't exactly name the two guys below Draper — one of them's Art Taylor ... and the other is Doug Watkins? Help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Looking at the cover of Jackie McLean & Co., one member of the sextet is missing, and I can't exactly name the two guys below Draper — one of them's Art Taylor ... and the other is Doug Watkins? Help? Draper Waldron AT Jm Hardman Doug is in the bathroom. B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 I just bought the new "Best of Jackie McLean" Fantasy CD, which I got cheap (7 Euro) at Zweitausendeins. http://www.fantasyjazz.com/catalog/mclean_j_cat2.html#5709 This is a very interesting compilation, offering 8 tracks (71 minutes) from 8 different Prestige albums. The new remastering by Joe Tarantino is also very good. So if you don't mind compilations, this is a good way to have some McLean Prestige material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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