Mobley recordings (including sidemen dates) NOT on Blue Note

[Rooster_Ties]

I haven't done the math, but just off the top of my head - I can only think of a very small handful of dates with or by Mobley that weren't on BN. What? - something like 95% (98%?) of his leader-dates were on BN, and I'm pretty sure 90+% of his sidemen dates were also on BN.

With nearly everybody else I can think of (that recorded as much as Hank did), at the very very least 15% or 20% of their recorded output was with other labels.

Any theories??

Any not worth overlooking??

Edited September 28, 2006 by Rooster_Ties

[jazzbo]

I haven't done the math, but just off the top of my head - I can only think of a very small handful of dates with or by Mobley that weren't on BN. What? - something like 95% (98%?) of his leader-dates were on BN, and I'm pretty sure 90+% of his sidemen dates were also on BN.

With nearly everybody else I can think of (that recorded as much as Hank did), at the very very least 15% or 20% of their recorded output was with other labels.

Any theories??

Any not worth overlooking??

I'm not sure that 90% figure is correct for the sideman sessions. There are Roulette, Savoy, Prestige, Columbia. . . it's maybe 80%? Maybe not, I haven't done the math.

Is his situation Blue Note/other labels any differnt than Lee Morgan?

It's sad that he just wasn't more in demand, especially in the final years. Glad he's gotten attention in the digital age!

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

...don't forget Debut, and Transition.....

[Rooster_Ties]

Maybe there are some sideman dates I'm forgetting. I though sure it was 90% BN for all of Mobley's output.

Well, it's certainy 90+% for Mobley's 60's output (and what very little there is from the 70's), I'm pretty sure of that.

[JSngry]

Hank had a contract w/Blue Note and was considered "hip" but not "cutting edge" in the 60s by the "industry". The fact that most of his non-leader work outside of BN was in the 50s may or may not mean something.

Consider this -where else beside BN would you think that he would turn up? What producer other than Lion do you think would have been prone to using him as a sideman other than Lion?

[brownie]

...don't forget Debut, and Transition.....

... and Verve, Riverside, Epic, Mercury, Argo, United Artists, Atlantic, Actuel....

[clifford_thornton]

...Atlantic, Actuel....

Yeah, he's great on those Elvin Atlantics, and the Shepps are fun! "Sonny's Back" has been a consistent spin over the years, from the Actuel catalog at least...

[brownie]

Hi Clem! Like the Mobley/Simenon connection

Still trying to catch up on various threads!

[Big Al]

I should think this discography would answer your question.

[brownie]

Consider this -where else beside BN would you think that he would turn up? What producer other than Lion do you think would have been prone to using him as a sideman other than Lion?

Prestige's Bob Weinstock might have been that one. Mobley recorded quite a number of session for Prestige in the late '5Os.

Besides his two leaders dates, there were the following albums he took part in:

- Elmo Hope 'Informal Jazz'

- Jackie McLean '4, 5 and 6'

- Tenor Conclave

- Art Farmer 'Farmer's Market'

- All Night Long

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

1) whats thge riverside session again?

2) what are the elivns on atlantic? how many albums and wehat are the titles? who else is on them> ?

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

OH oh oh oh h midnight walk oh yeah ogh god who has this is it good whats the hank + fender rhodes stuff like what about dollar brand is it hanks original tunes or elvins or dollar brands who can comment on it is it in print on cd is it good

[michel1969]

1) whats thge riverside session again?

2) what are the elivns on atlantic? how many albums and wehat are the titles? who else is on them> ?

On Riverside : "This is New" (kenny drew)

On Atlantic Elvin : Elvin and Philly Joe "Together"

I may forget other titles....

[brownie]

1) whats thge riverside session again?

2) what are the elivns on atlantic? how many albums and wehat are the titles? who else is on them> ?

On Riverside : "This is New" (kenny drew)

On Atlantic Elvin : Elvin and Philly Joe "Together"

I may forget other titles....

Mobley is also featured on the Elvin Jones 'The Midnight Walk' Atlantic album.

[mikeweil]

Both of the Atlantic Elvin Jones LPs are currently available on one Collectables CD. They're not overwhelming but nice, the Rhodes is not obtrusive. Not quite as consistent as Elvin's Blue Notes, but worth a listen. Mobley's not very spectacular on them - to me Thad Jones is the standout soloist besides Elvin.

[mikeweil]

Thad Jones (tp) Hank Mobley (ts) Dollar Brand (p) Steve James (el-p -1,5) Don Moore (b) Elvin Jones (d)

NYC, March 23, 19661. 10052 Lycra Too Atlantic SD 1485

2. 10053 H.M. on F.M. -

3. 10054 Tintiyana -

4. 10055 The Juggler -

5. 12832 Lycra Too Atlantic 2437

* Elvin Jones - Midnight Walk (Atlantic SD 1485)

* Elvin Jones Sextet (no details) (Atlantic 2437)

Thad Jones(tp) Hank Mobley (ts) Dollar Brand (p) Don Moore (b) Elvin Jones (d) George Abend (per)

NYC, March 24, 196610058 All of Us Atlantic SD 1485

10059 Cross Purpose -

10060 Midnight Walk -

10061 Untitled unissued

12831 Midnight Walk Atlantic 2437

* Elvin Jones - Midnight Walk (Atlantic SD 1485)

* Elvin Jones Sextet (no details) (Atlantic 2437)

... from the discography listed above. That Artlantic 2437 was a 45 rpm single and most likely contains edited versions of the LP takes.

Edited September 29, 2006 by mikeweil

[JSngry]

Consider this -where else beside BN would you think that he would turn up? What producer other than Lion do you think would have been prone to using him as a sideman other than Lion?

Prestige's Bob Weinstock might have been that one. Mobley recorded quite a number of session for Prestige in the late '5Os.

Besides his two leaders dates, there were the following albums he took part in:

- Elmo Hope 'Informal Jazz'

- Jackie McLean '4, 5 and 6'

- Tenor Conclave

- Art Farmer 'Farmer's Market'

- All Night Long

Yeah, but how many Prestige sessions was Weinstock producing in the 60s?

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Consider this -where else beside BN would you think that he would turn up? What producer other than Lion do you think would have been prone to using him as a sideman other than Lion?

Prestige's Bob Weinstock might have been that one. Mobley recorded quite a number of session for Prestige in the late '5Os.

Besides his two leaders dates, there were the following albums he took part in:

- Elmo Hope 'Informal Jazz'

- Jackie McLean '4, 5 and 6'

- Tenor Conclave

- Art Farmer 'Farmer's Market'

- All Night Long

Yeah, but how many Prestige sessions was Weinstock producing in the 60s?

Quite - he pretty well gave up producing once he hired Esmond Edwards and Ozzie Cadena. And Esmond was very into the big horn sounds of Hawk, Arnett, Jug, Forrest, Gator, Jaws and Tate. Prestige was doing well with these musicians. Not much room in there for a man with a VERY different sound.

MG

[JSngry]

And later in the 60s there was Bob Porter, Cal Lampley, & Don Schlitten. Schlitten might seem like a logical choice, but not necessarily. YEah, he produced Breakthrough on Cobblestone, but that was technically by Artistry In Music, a gorup co-led by Hank & Cedar Walton, with whom Schlitten definitely had a history. Hank had a contract w/BN in the 60s, the label gave him plenty of sidemen dates, so I don't know that he would be somebody to get those type calls from another label. It would be easier to get somebody else who was eitehr not contracted at all, or was contracted w/the same label. After all, that's what BN did.

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

I am an idiot i dont have All night long (except on 70s reissue Prestige 8 track)- and my track is broken only plays on chan. 4 now. i dont have the "sonnys back" thing, and i dont have the Julius Watkins, i dont have the DIzzys, or the Paul Gaytens. I am not a mobley completist. When i bought that max the otehr week it was the 1st time i bought a mobe cd in like 5 yrs. i will start to pick all these up now as i come across them

[sidewinder]

I am an idiot i dont have All night long (except on 70s reissue Prestige 8 track)- and my track is broken only plays on chan. 4 now.

Jeez...

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

its all night long and all day long on the same tape

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

well ihave midnight walk on hold-- it better be worth it

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

WELL I GUESS AFTER I GET IT ILL HAVE EVERY SINCE HANK 60S LP EXCEPT THAT ARCHIE SHEPP, SO I GUESS THATS MEANS SOMETHING.

[Dan Gould]

I am not a mobley completist.

The man takes time out of his busy afterlife to visit you in your dreams, and this is how you repay him?