Ed S Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 I always believed that Kevin quoted Michael ONLY because he wanted us to know that he had a credible source that that what he relayed to us could be counted on to be as accurate as possible. I never thought there was any other motivation than that. I always looked forward to Kevin's updates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 Unfortunately, he didn't just delete "those posts"; he deleted the entire thread, including the posts of others. That just doesn't sit well with me; sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catesta Posted September 9, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 Ray I see your point, but I think it's only natural to talk some shit. If Kevin gave a rat's ass about keeping good relations here, I doubt he would have deleted the threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 I'm with Jazzmoose - I'm very disappointed in Kevin. I did not get involved in the ban Greg crap (and will never make my feelings on the matter known), and by deleting this thread he is also punishing me. If he doesn't come back, I'll try to get in touch with Michael Cuscuna from time to time re: forthcoming reissues. I sometimes have to pester him with research questions. He is a very brave man to put up with me. Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDK Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 Don't get me wrong: I think what Kevin did was pretty shitty. I didn't really wanna single anyone out with my comment above, but since by keeping it overly broad I seem to have targeted more of you than I intended, I probably should add that I was primarily criticizing Brad's line - "I'm sure we can get by without his "I was talking to Michael the other day and he told me...." name dropping stuff" - which I thought was uncalled for. Otherwise I do understand the current animosity towards Kevin's "salt the earth" style of departure... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 I am in touch with Michael regularly, but don't repeat what he says out of "professional courtesy". If he worried about anything he said to me being repeated on an internet forum, he might edit his words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 Good lord! Another name dropper, and this one won't even share the dirt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catesta Posted September 9, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 (edited) It never really bothered me one way or the other. (the name dropping) However, when Chris Albertson called Kevin out on why he was bringing Cuscuna's name up in that particular thread, I must say I totally agreed with him. It definitely was not pertinent to the topic of dicsussion. Edited September 9, 2003 by catesta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed S Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 I'm pretty sure that Kevin informed Michael that he was quoting him on the board. I believe he said as much a few times in his posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 I'm pretty sure that Kevin informed Michael that he was quoting him on the board. I believe he said as much a few times in his posts. I'm sure he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzdog Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 Good lord! Another name dropper, and this one won't even share the dirt! Ban Chuck...Ban Chuck!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 Okay, back to serious for a moment: What Kevin did in his posts in Reissues just didn't strike me as "name dropping", but as simply providing his source. You know, saying "I'm not making this stuff up; it's real." So I agree with you Ray, I can't see criticizing him for that. Deleting the threads on the other hand was a pretty crummy thing to do. But then I guess we all agree on that anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed S Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 I always believed that Kevin quoted Michael ONLY because he wanted us to know that he had a credible source that that what he relayed to us could be counted on to be as accurate as possible. I never thought there was any other motivation than that. I always looked forward to Kevin's updates. You tell 'em 'moose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 Scoop! Hold the presses! Ah, never mind.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaney Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 Personally, I can believe what Kevin did as I did something similar over on the AAJ board. I got pissed over the reaction of some board members when, trying to diffuse one of Karim's debacles, I posted a girlie pic. Because of the tsks tsks, I deleted the picture, posted an apology and then deleted over one hundred of my posts - all but four or five. Childish? I wouldn't deny that at all. The way I looked at it, my posts were my property. Certainly not of great value, but mine. Needless to say, the owner of the AAJ board has now removed my ability to post. Rightfully so, I might add. I would not have deleted a thread that had the value of the RVG thread. Kevin seems to be a very nice guy and I hold no ill will toward him for what he has done. It was obvious that he was getting pissed over being teased for his alleged name-dropping and the Greg incident was apparently the straw that broke his camel's back. Lesson learned? Let's stop the meanness that’s being exhibited by certain members toward our own. Now that Kevin’s gone, whom do we pick on next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 I nominate Tony... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catesta Posted September 9, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 Second! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 I'm here! Take me on! I welcome this stuff. Feed my ego. Go you lame sissies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed S Posted September 10, 2003 Report Share Posted September 10, 2003 I think we should be real careful to choose someone who only has a few posts and definitely no threads to his credit. Given what happened with Kevin we don't want to lose any good information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaney Posted September 10, 2003 Report Share Posted September 10, 2003 ...Given what happened with Kevin we don't want to lose any good information. Oh great! That leaves you out Chuck. Looks like I'm the obvious choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted September 10, 2003 Report Share Posted September 10, 2003 (edited) If I ever get info from Cuscuna that I want to relate here, I will of course clear it with him first. I thought that was self-obvious, but apparently not. Kind of ironic, in fact. There was one piece of info (which I will keep under wraps) that Michael related to both Kevin and myself (probably around the same time) that I assumed Michael did *not* want posted on the BNBB, and I refrained from doing so. I was jaw-droppingly surprised to see Kevin mention it and, in fact, pretended it was the first I had heard of it. I sure will miss those threads of info that Kevin gleaned from Michael. The May 1999 thread asking us which unissued BN CDs we wanted to hear was great. We actually got to pick which Blue Notes were issued! All good things must come to an end, I guess. Bertrand. Edited September 10, 2003 by bertrand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed S Posted September 10, 2003 Report Share Posted September 10, 2003 Care to refresh our memories bertrand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catesta Posted September 10, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2003 All good things must come to an end, I guess. Not necessarily. Go ahead, pick up the phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDK Posted September 10, 2003 Report Share Posted September 10, 2003 I'm here! Take me on! I welcome this stuff. Feed my ego. Go you lame sissies. Did Chuck just use a smilie? Excuse me while I ask the Devil to borrow some ice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted September 10, 2003 Report Share Posted September 10, 2003 (edited) Since I started some of this controversy this afternoon, I'd have to agree with RDK that my comment was probably kind of childish. However, and there's a however here, I remember something from the BNBB that really stuck in my craw once. I don't know if you remember it. Blue Note had just gotten some criticism for what they were reissuing, a Louis Prima cd comes to mind and hardbop posted something like he was disappointed or underwhelmed or whatever. Then a few weeks later Kevin said he'd just talked to Michael and he had some exciting news but then said something like I'm not going to divulge it. Of course, awhile later he did. At the time that struck me as petty and childish. A person using his so-called influence to say "I know something you guys don't and I'm not going to tell you, ha, ha." So, when he deleted his thread here, that reminded me of that incident. Yes, we'll miss his inside knowledge but I'm sure we'll get along. Plus, I'm sure he'll be sharing at AAJ so it's not like we won't have access to it. Anyway my comment was childish and Ray was right. Edited September 10, 2003 by Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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