Larry Kart Posted June 3, 2009 Report Posted June 3, 2009 Previous post removed because board policy is that we post links to copyrighted print media material, not the material itself. Thus: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/arts/mus...bard&st=cse Quote
Dan Gould Posted June 3, 2009 Report Posted June 3, 2009 Deleting that rant is fine but I would hope that someone who attacks the owner of the board, the band, and the entire membership in outrageous, not to mention racist ways has had his ticket permanently punched. There's no reason to tolerate that and making it disappear doesn't change the fact of it. Quote
Free For All Posted June 3, 2009 Report Posted June 3, 2009 Deleting that rant is fine but I would hope that someone who attacks the owner of the board, the band, and the entire membership in outrageous, not to mention racist ways has had his ticket permanently punched. There's no reason to tolerate that and making it disappear doesn't change the fact of it. He did get banned. Quote
Larry Kart Posted June 3, 2009 Report Posted June 3, 2009 Thanks for mentioning that because I'd missed that post. Lord have mercy! Quote
Dan Gould Posted June 3, 2009 Report Posted June 3, 2009 (edited) I see that now, Free, and well deserved for a long time. I normally didn't buy into Chris Albertson's rants about people hiding behind screen names, but if you put yourself out there as someone who was in the middle of things back in the day, put your fucking name on your rants, or shut the hell up, or better yet, get your ass thrown out of here. Edited June 3, 2009 by Dan Gould Quote
Larry Kart Posted June 3, 2009 Report Posted June 3, 2009 I see that now, Free, and well deserved for a long time. I normally didn't buy into Chris Albertson's rants about people hiding behind screen names, but if you put yourself out there as someone who was in the middle of things back in the day, put your fucking name on your rants, or shut the hell up, or better yet, get your ass thrown out of here. His older brother is (no kidding) Poet Laureate of these United States: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Simic They spell the family name a bit differently. Quote
Free For All Posted June 3, 2009 Report Posted June 3, 2009 Anyway, I really like the Freddie! Great to hear him at full strength. Nice band too- Louis Hayes is loose and Elvin-like at times. Roland Hanna is a bad MF. Great stuff, glad it was released. Quote
JSngry Posted June 3, 2009 Report Posted June 3, 2009 Deleting that rant is fine but I would hope that someone who attacks the owner of the board, the band, and the entire membership in outrageous, not to mention racist ways has had his ticket permanently punched. There's no reason to tolerate that and making it disappear doesn't change the fact of it. He did get banned. And now how will he sell his book? Oh well, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts he was shitfaced like none other when he posted that. It just had SPEW DRUNKEN SPEW written all over it. But oh well about that too. A man who can't hold his liquor shouldn't post on bulletin boards when not holding it. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted June 3, 2009 Report Posted June 3, 2009 Still amazed he wasn't banned for an ugly post directed at CA a while back. I completely understand Chris being outraged by his continued presence here. Quote
Aggie87 Posted June 3, 2009 Report Posted June 3, 2009 One odd thing to me about his deleted post in this thread is how critical he was about people interested in Freddie Hubbard's music, when (according to allmusic.com) he was the "creative director" for Hub Art: A Celebration of the Music of Freddie Hubbard. Quote
bertrand Posted June 3, 2009 Report Posted June 3, 2009 Are we talking about youmustbe? He was banned? When did that happen? Long overdue. Someone PM me the details please. After all the horrible crap he posted, I'm curious to see what it is that earned him a removal. Bertrand. Quote
GA Russell Posted June 3, 2009 Report Posted June 3, 2009 Lala got this Hubbard album in today. I'll plan to listen to it soon. Quote
Use3D Posted June 3, 2009 Report Posted June 3, 2009 Yes he's banned. He made a typical troll post and hasn't really contributed anything useful to the board in a long time anyway from what I can tell. Whenever his ban should have happened really isn't relevant. Let's just keep this thread on topic. Quote
7/4 Posted June 3, 2009 Report Posted June 3, 2009 Are we talking about youmustbe? He was banned? When did that happen? Long overdue. Someone PM me the details please. After all the horrible crap he posted, I'm curious to see what it is that earned him a removal. Bertrand. Dang. I missed it! Quote
Dan Gould Posted June 3, 2009 Report Posted June 3, 2009 One odd thing to me about his deleted post in this thread is how critical he was about people interested in Freddie Hubbard's music, when (according to allmusic.com) he was the "creative director" for Hub Art: A Celebration of the Music of Freddie Hubbard. That entire page is filled with productions that looked "backward" which makes it really ironic that he'd bitch about middle age white guys and the kind of jazz they prefer. And now that I know who the clown is, I find it even more remarkable that a Serb would take pot shots at people for being "racist". Quote
David Ayers Posted June 3, 2009 Report Posted June 3, 2009 (edited) Some intense playing on this album. Long and skippable drum solo on Night in Tunisia. Cautious thumbs-up... pretty good in fact. Edited June 3, 2009 by David Ayers Quote
DMP Posted June 3, 2009 Report Posted June 3, 2009 Well worth having! I agree with the above posts about the overbearing cymbals on the first track, and the drum solo on "Night" could have been skipped, but, really, this is minor. And for me, glad to have some Roland Hanna in this kind of free-wheeling setting! Quote
david weiss Posted June 3, 2009 Report Posted June 3, 2009 Glad to see a lot of you guys are checking this out and enjoying it. Sorry to see this thread temporarily hijacked by youmustbe but I'm sure it was quite the amusing rant. If anyone who wants to PM me with the details I'd welcome the laugh. I've worked closely with youmustbe over the years and am tempted to fill in some of the blanks for you guys especially since he can't post any responses but that would be a little too mean I guess. Quote
david weiss Posted June 3, 2009 Report Posted June 3, 2009 One odd thing to me about his deleted post in this thread is how critical he was about people interested in Freddie Hubbard's music, when (according to allmusic.com) he was the "creative director" for Hub Art: A Celebration of the Music of Freddie Hubbard. That entire page is filled with productions that looked "backward" which makes it really ironic that he'd bitch about middle age white guys and the kind of jazz they prefer. And now that I know who the clown is, I find it even more remarkable that a Serb would take pot shots at people for being "racist". He actually has a true love for the music and those particular artists he did tributes to but felt it was time to move on, that all these guys should just die already and let the next batch have their shot, thought that would be best for the music in the long run. He could bitch about this but had no problem making a buck on it, a hypocrisy I pointed out often but that he could not care less about. As far as middle age white guys, perhaps that is some self loathing....... Quote
david weiss Posted June 3, 2009 Report Posted June 3, 2009 Deleting that rant is fine but I would hope that someone who attacks the owner of the board, the band, and the entire membership in outrageous, not to mention racist ways has had his ticket permanently punched. There's no reason to tolerate that and making it disappear doesn't change the fact of it. He did get banned. And now how will he sell his book? Oh well, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts he was shitfaced like none other when he posted that. It just had SPEW DRUNKEN SPEW written all over it. But oh well about that too. A man who can't hold his liquor shouldn't post on bulletin boards when not holding it. Perhaps, but he can go on like this quite sober as well.... He used to rant like this on my answering machine and I saved some for a while because they were quite amusing. Most got erased unfortunately in the black out here a few years ago as I had a dead battery as my back up power source for my answering machine. Lost some other quite amusing messages in that one actually. Quote
david weiss Posted June 3, 2009 Report Posted June 3, 2009 One odd thing to me about his deleted post in this thread is how critical he was about people interested in Freddie Hubbard's music, when (according to allmusic.com) he was the "creative director" for Hub Art: A Celebration of the Music of Freddie Hubbard. I transcribed or arranged the music for many of his tributes; recordings and also a number of live projects. He did have a good instinct for the music and made good choices of material and usually musicians. The later live stuff got too gimmicky personnel wise for me but he did do some good ones. He also made a jazz/hip-hop hybrid thing called Bop City that was interesting and a bit ahead of the curve. Quote
david weiss Posted June 3, 2009 Report Posted June 3, 2009 Because of space limitations, my liner notes were edited (I'm sure many here know about that intimately). I did the edits myself but since I'm a little frustrated that the whole thing never saw the light of day, I'm going to post them below if anyone cares. It might help alleviate my frustration at least. Listening to music with Freddie Hubbard is almost as inspirational and rewarding as playing music with him. To say he is an active listener is an understatement. He can be quite animated but also very critical, especially when it comes to his own music. He doesn’t get down on himself per se to often though he would cringe the couple of times he would actually go for something and not execute it as perfectly as he usually did. He will on occasion let out a chuckle when he hears himself execute one of those near impossible jaw-dropping runs that he is wont to do. There would also be howls of approval when the rhythm section reacted to something he did and take the music to a higher place but if one the musicians (usually in the rhythm section) missed something or didn’t go where he thought they should go, he’d be all over them. This process was always very educational to me as I saw how examining this music critically is the best way to find ways to improve it and yourself and Freddie always strove to be the best possible musician and trumpet player. Freddie and I listened to the three concerts the music on this CD is culled from while we were working on what turned out to be his final album On The Real Side. Every day while driving back and forth from the studio we would pop this music into CD player and soak it all in. Freddie really enjoyed this music and this time around rarely had a critique. What is immediately apparent in this music is the symbiotic relationship between Freddie and the drummer on these dates, Louis Hayes. Louis was one of Freddie’s favorite drummers (along with Art Blakey and Philly Joe Jones) and they lived in the same apartment building in Brooklyn for a few years in the ‘60s and would practice often together, almost every day according to Freddie. Freddie also told me they practiced the more difficult music from what turned out to be the album High Blues Pressure (“True Colors” and “For B.P.” in particular) together for a year before recording it. The rapport these two great musicians enjoy is apparent from the first downbeat of this recording. The music on this CD was recorded in December of 1969 at various locations in Europe as part of what was called Jazz Wave on Tour. It was a jazz revue of sorts put together by producer Sonny Lester that featured a number of jazz acts touring Europe together. Also involved were the Thad Jones and Mel Lewis Orchestra, Jeremy Steig, Kenny Burrell and Jimmy McGriff. The groups shared some of the musicians as Jimmy McGriff performed with Thad and Mel’s band, Ron Carter and Louis Hayes also backed Jeremy Steig and Richard Davis and Mel Lewis also backed Kenny Burrell. All the artists joined each other at the end for a grand finale. They did a ten city tour of Europe and three of these concerts were recorded and the material on this CD comes from these recordings. One recording called Jazz Wave documenting this tour was released on Blue Note Records in 1970 that included one track of Freddie’s “Body and Soul”. Also during this tour Freddie made a record with the group for MPS in Germany entitled A Hub of Hubbard, which also featured Eddie Daniels and Richard Davis (in for Ron Carter), on loan from Thad and Mel’s band. Though Freddie was remarkably consistent throughout his career, I always felt that he peaked twice during the years he was playing at his best. The first was in the late ‘60s where it seemed that all the playing he did during that fertile period with Art Blakey and on all those classic Blue Notes recordings came to a head and his playing and composing seemed to reach even greater heights than we thought possible. I think his albums Blue Sprits (his last for Blue Note), Backlash and High Blues Pressure attest to this higher plane. The second peak came in the early ‘80s after his years with CTI and Columbia as he returned to a more straight ahead small group format first with VSOP and then with his own group. The term super human feats of strength comes to mind when I hear live recordings from this period especially on Above and Beyond and the One Night With Blue Note recordings. This recording captures Freddie at the height of this first peak period. He was still pretty early in his career as a bandleader at this point but he did have a working band. However, except for Louis Hayes, this was not his regular working band at the time which might account for the program being mostly being made up of standards with a couple of originals sprinkled in. He was allotted 35 or 40 minutes for his part of the show, which usually meant just three tunes, usually a couple of swinging tunes sandwiching a ballad (and they played a different ballad every night they recorded). These recordings probably represent just another day at the office for these guys but what a day at the office. He plays here with such force and commanding authority yet approaches the ballads so lyrically with such beauty and passion. Freddie was the complete package; huge, fat sound, incredible range, as harmonically complex as they come but also quite the lyricist and boasted perhaps the most prodigious technique of in the history of jazz trumpet. And as these recordings yet again prove, he gave it his all at all times, night after night, year after year. He put everything he had into this music at all times and for 35 years played at a level and intensity that has not been matched by any trumpet player ever. They say the light that burns the brightest burns the fastest yet Freddie was able to play this music at that go for the jugular, all out approach for longer than anyone thought humanly possible. When all the wear and tear on his lip (and body from all the constant touring) finally caught up with him in the mid-‘90s, he still had the hunger to play and compose and be out there on some level and this might have damaged his legacy a bit but now with his recent passing, hopefully we can once again just focus on all the great music he left us. The breadth and depth of his work is almost unparalleled in this music and part of the reason for that is his all out approach at all times with no regard for the potential damage it might eventually cause him. This CD documents this approach in all its glory and as always it’s a wonder to hear a master at the top of his game delivering as he always did, night after night and year after year. Quote
kh1958 Posted June 3, 2009 Report Posted June 3, 2009 Glad to see a lot of you guys are checking this out and enjoying it. Sorry to see this thread temporarily hijacked by youmustbe but I'm sure it was quite the amusing rant. If anyone who wants to PM me with the details I'd welcome the laugh. I've worked closely with youmustbe over the years and am tempted to fill in some of the blanks for you guys especially since he can't post any responses but that would be a little too mean I guess. Actually, the rant was not in the least amusing--it was insulting to our genial and talented hosts, constituted actionable slander of another member, and was generally rather repellant where it was not incoherent. Quote
danasgoodstuff Posted June 3, 2009 Report Posted June 3, 2009 (edited) youmustbe, asshole laureate of the Organissimo Board, sorry I missed his parting shot...or maybe not. Looking forward to hearing this apparently prime FH Edited June 3, 2009 by danasgoodstuff Quote
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