mikelz777 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 (edited) I'm still hangin' in the breeze on my 2 Brookmeyer orders. Both orders were placed on the 11th. The one retailer's site indicates that it shipped but they haven't charged my account for it so I'm starting to question whether shipped really means shipped. It doesn't exactly boost my confidence that nothing appears in the tracking number section either. The other retailer has charged my account but I haven't got a notice that it shipped yet and their site doesn't indicate it's shipped yet. I think I'm in hopeful denial. I don't want to call to check on my orders for fear of finding out that I'm not going to get either one of them. I hope at least one of them pulls through. Patience...patience... Edited September 17, 2009 by mikelz777 Quote
sidewinder Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 Just heard that my Brookmeyer is shipping ! Quote
king ubu Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 I got a reply to my asking the marketplace seller about the Shank/Cooper and Pacific Jazz Trios Selects (same vendor). He confirmed that both should have been mailed yesterday... hope that's indeed so, I'll only know by end of September, when our favourite jazz buddy from Paris will be back home to check his mail Quote
mikeweil Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 My marketplace order for the Pacific Jazz Trios Select was cancelled this morning ... Seems I will get the Brookmeyer, though. Quote
mikelz777 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 What a difference a bank system update makes! The charge from my "shipped" merchant went through my account this morning! It looks like I'll be getting at least one of the Brookmeyers and that's all I really wanted. The other merchant indicated they usually ship w/i 2-5 business days and the 5th business day would be tomorrow. If I don't hear anything by then I'll probably contact them to see if I'll be getting a 2nd Brookmeyer or if I need to arrange for a refund. With all the goings-on with these sets, I'm a lot more compelled not to wait around to pick up a set I'm interested in. Fortunately, I was able to jump on the Brookmeyer before the prices got too out of hand. I don't think there's any big sets that I'm interested in enough to spend the asking price. Even the Selects are a bit higher than I like to spend. Of the Selects, I'd be OK with letting the remaining titles slide except maybe the Charles Tolliver. Anyone have thoughts on that one? I'll usually listen to sound samples several times over the course of a couple of weeks and then decide if I really want it. That approach usually weeds out the "I'm more excited to get something new" vs. the "I'd really like this recording." So far, the Tolliver sound samples have held my interest. Quote
Bluerein Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 This is all very good for you (the ones who got their product) but doesn't help Mosaic a single bit. If only you all would have ordered these set's a little earlier and at Mosaic so they would benefit from it (more than they do now)...........Let this be a wake-up call and please order all the other stuff you have on your wish lists at Mosaic before it's too late!!!!! Quote
king ubu Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 This is all very good for you (the ones who got their product) but doesn't help Mosaic a single bit. If only you all would have ordered these set's a little earlier and at Mosaic so they would benefit from it (more than they do now)...........Let this be a wake-up call and please order all the other stuff you have on your wish lists at Mosaic before it's too late!!!!! well, if I would swim in money... Quote
Bluerein Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 On the other hand you are very willing to get the OOP set's elsewhere (which costs money too I believe). Quote
Patrick Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 This is all very good for you (the ones who got their product) but doesn't help Mosaic a single bit. If only you all would have ordered these set's a little earlier and at Mosaic so they would benefit from it (more than they do now)...........Let this be a wake-up call and please order all the other stuff you have on your wish lists at Mosaic before it's too late!!!!! Purchasing brand new sets helps Mosaic. It was Mosaic's business strategy to wholesale the Selects to various retailers. No one should cry if those non-Mosaic sellers actually sell the product (...that they paid Mosaic for). In fact, that's what the strategy is designed to accomplish. Would you insist that retailers have to charge a price greater than or equal to the Mosaic price, so that everyone then buys from Mosaic (first)? Should we all purchase BN titles at high prices from BN.com? They are not doing too well right now (and they have a strategy similar to Mosaic's of wholesaling their product to various retailers). Or maybe we should just make charitable contributions to for-profit jazz labels because there isn't much profit right now. This recent run is not related to the economy. It was a blunder at a manufacturing plant. Current demand exceeds current supply and prices adjust. Maybe Mosaic (or True Blue) should raise their prices on the limited availability items. Of course, if buyers today knew what was going to happen, more sales would have been made earlier (at Mosaic and other sellers). I've purchased a number of Selects from Mosaic and from other retailers. If Mosaic is going to supply product to sellers that then offer them to me at lower prices, that's where I'll transact. Mosaic could change its strategy to not use retailers (like they've done for decades on the boxes), or charge higher wholesale prices. I'm a fan of their products (...though likely not quite as rabid as many others) and hope that they can weather the economy and manufacturing problem. I will continue to purchase interesting Mosaic products which will benefit Mosaic (as long as they remain with us). Quote
king ubu Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 On the other hand you are very willing to get the OOP set's elsewhere (which costs money too I believe). Yes of course. But the thing is, it's almost impossible to keep up with the releases, and it makes no sense to buy the new ones as they come out an instead let older releases go OOP without buying them. If I had the funds, I'd just buy all the older releases and then keep up, but that's just no option, because - great as they are - there are other things I want to hear and explore, as well. And not to show off or anything, but owning 50+ large boxes (except for a few old vinyl ones and a few Euro Universal ones all bought directly from Mosaic) and 10 or so Selects and some Singles, I guess if Mosaic had a few thousand customers that committed, they'd be well off... Quote
colinmce Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 Still no word on my Brookmeyer set, either. But the available copy has disappeared from the site along with another thing I ordered, so that seems to indicate that I will be getting it. We'll see ... Quote
mellowT Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 This is all very good for you (the ones who got their product) but doesn't help Mosaic a single bit. If only you all would have ordered these set's a little earlier and at Mosaic so they would benefit from it (more than they do now)...........Let this be a wake-up call and please order all the other stuff you have on your wish lists at Mosaic before it's too late!!!!! Let's not forget that several of the Selects (Brookmeyer, Pullen, Pepper, Slack) were out of stock at the time they went suddenly OOP, and had been for several months, so even if we wanted to we couldn't purchase directly from Mosaic. On the Brookmeyer, I held back until Mosaic had the money to replenish their stock. There are still quite a few black box sets on backorder. Here's hoping the same tragedy doesn't happen with those. I've got my eye on the Johnny Smith. Quote
papsrus Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 The Parker Benedetti is the one I have my eye on. It's been on back order for most of the year, with the "should be available later this year" note. October looms. Quote
colinmce Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 Just got a shipping notice on my Brookmeyer set. Looking forward to it. And I think I might just hit up Mosaic for the Amy, Green, Reece, and Mobley sets. Quote
jazzbo Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 As others have mentioned, the Green set is great. I enjoy it more every time I listen to this music. If you don't have it and can order, take a chance. Quote
king ubu Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 I'm still a bit pissed by Reinier's attack. Just in case: I had them put a Pearson Select aside for me. Yesterday my order was shipped, and it also contained the Anthony Braxton box and a single. Ok? I also own about 20 or 25 in print Mosaic boxes and Selects, and I bought about 6 or 7 of the Singles (which seem to be pretty unsuccesful, alas). However, some of those are Universal Mosaics and I guess I have to be blamed for buying them as well? Holy holy! Quote
BruceH Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 On the other hand you are very willing to get the OOP set's elsewhere (which costs money too I believe). Yes of course. But the thing is, it's almost impossible to keep up with the releases, and it makes no sense to buy the new ones as they come out an instead let older releases go OOP without buying them. If I had the funds, I'd just buy all the older releases and then keep up, but that's just no option, because - great as they are - there are other things I want to hear and explore, as well. And not to show off or anything, but owning 50+ large boxes (except for a few old vinyl ones and a few Euro Universal ones all bought directly from Mosaic) and 10 or so Selects and some Singles, I guess if Mosaic had a few thousand customers that committed, they'd be well off... I very much agree. Quote
mikeweil Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 This is all very good for you (the ones who got their product) but doesn't help Mosaic a single bit. If only you all would have ordered these set's a little earlier and at Mosaic so they would benefit from it (more than they do now)...........Let this be a wake-up call and please order all the other stuff you have on your wish lists at Mosaic before it's too late!!!!! well, if I would swim in money... My thoughts exactly. Quote
mikeweil Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 (edited) But the thing is, it's almost impossible to keep up with the releases, and it makes no sense to buy the new ones as they come out an instead let older releases go OOP without buying them. If I had the funds, I'd just buy all the older releases and then keep up, but that's just no option, because - great as they are - there are other things I want to hear and explore, as well. Again, my thoughts exactly! I would have bought these sets from Mosaic over the course of the next six or eight months, one by one, but now that the hunt is on due to that unbelieveable carelessness of a third party ... I had to watch some sets go oop due to lack of funds and was lucky to get them years later for a good price, but since then I always ordered from Mosaic in time or when they went to the running low category. But this was simply too fast for me, especially since I missed that e-mail as I was on vacation without an internet connection. No, I'm not one to blame. If Mosaics were all I collect, well .... but there are quite a few other styles of music I am interested in, and some of them for professional reasons. Edited September 17, 2009 by mikeweil Quote
mikelz777 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 (edited) I'm still a bit pissed by Reinier's attack. Just in case: I had them put a Pearson Select aside for me. Yesterday my order was shipped, and it also contained the Anthony Braxton box and a single. Ok? I also own about 20 or 25 in print Mosaic boxes and Selects, and I bought about 6 or 7 of the Singles (which seem to be pretty unsuccesful, alas). However, some of those are Universal Mosaics and I guess I have to be blamed for buying them as well? Holy holy! I wouldn't take it too seriously, you just have to let it roll. I'm certainly not losing any sleep over it nor do I feel any kind of need to justify my buying habits with anyone. Taken to it's logical conclusion, he seems to be saying that there's something wrong or unethical about buying used CDs or buying new CDs from anyone other than the initial distributor. On top of that, that we should feel guilty for being in the position of having to buy these CDs from anyone other than Mosaic in the first place. I have 5 Selects and all 5 of them were purchased brand new from merchants other than Mosaic. Did these merchants get them for free? I hardly think so. Mosaic made their money on these sets. Mosaic made their money, I got them at a better price and the merchant got their cut as well. Win-win-win. One also can't assume that if these sets weren't available elsewhere that Mosaic would make the sale instead. There are several sets I own that I would never have purchased at Mosaic's price but was able and willing to purchase because of a much lower price offered by a private seller. (Mosaic made their money on that set too.) On these sets, if it came down to paying Mosaic's price or not having the set at all, I wouldn't have the set. I'm sure Bluerein and I are in disagreement on this matter but my conscience is clear despite how (s)he would try and make me feel about it. I'd say kick back, relax and enjoy those Mosaic's no matter where you might have gotten them. Edited September 17, 2009 by mikelz777 Quote
papsrus Posted September 17, 2009 Report Posted September 17, 2009 I guess it's OK to admit I got the Brookmeyer used a while ago then? It feels almost like bragging. Quote
colinmce Posted September 18, 2009 Report Posted September 18, 2009 And I think I might just hit up Mosaic for the Amy, Green, Reece, and Mobley sets. Just placed this order. Excited as hell, but not looking forward to the credit card bill! Quote
mikelz777 Posted September 18, 2009 Report Posted September 18, 2009 And I think I might just hit up Mosaic for the Amy, Green, Reece, and Mobley sets. Just placed this order. Excited as hell, but not looking forward to the credit card bill! All four of those sets are excellent. You've got some great listening ahead of you. Enjoy! Quote
David Ayers Posted September 18, 2009 Report Posted September 18, 2009 (edited) I'd say the Tolliver material is a chunk of music you'd want to hear. These sessions really have a lot of life in them. I guess in the end they are musically limited which is why I didn't replace the copies I already have with the Select. I'd say that if you ever were interested in Woody Shaw then you might also enjoy this Tolliver. I agree that other of these Selects are really for collectors and can be happily let slide. My problem with the series was that I already had the key material on those sets which interested me, much of which has been easily available for some time. Edited September 18, 2009 by David Ayers Quote
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