romualdo Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 I have heard good things about the Hawk JSP: http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Sides-1929-1939-Coleman-Hawkins/dp/B000IAZ3SG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1347230509&sr=8-1&keywords=hawkins+jsp highly recommend the JSP box (29-39, covers his European years) & there's not a great deal of overlap with the Mosaic box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Do you mean where am I getting the black church out of Hawkins, or why am I interested in the black church? The former. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face of the Bass Posted September 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Do you mean where am I getting the black church out of Hawkins, or why am I interested in the black church? The former. Yeah, I guess it doesn't meet that criteria as well as some of the other sets. But it hits the time period I'm after and I don't think there's any question whatsoever that it is historically significant material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Wood Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 F all that. You NEED this: Fire in My Bones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Another one that is non-jazz and recent. Ray Charles - Singular Genius: The Complete ABC Singles Very good set. Now out of print (very quickly went from released to out of print, the estate dropped its deal with Concord). . . not easy to find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeBop Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) I am psychologically incapable of passing up the opportunity to put in a good word for the Django Mosaic. Such joyous creativity. Even though I find later Grappelli tiring. Edited September 10, 2012 by BeBop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 F all that. You NEED this: Fire in My Bones That's been on my short list to get for over a year now... How about a compilation box set? I recommend the "Goodbye Babylon" box on Dust to Digital. Alternatively, I have the first two four-disc sets in this excellent "History of Rhythm and Blues" series (spanning 1925 to 1952, they are highly enjoyable: http://www.rhythmand...uk/history.htm. They span quite a wide range of styles including country blues, gospel and jazz. They are well sequenced for an enjoyable listen all the way through. I have these as well, and second the rec... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Train Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Another one that is non-jazz and recent. Ray Charles - Singular Genius: The Complete ABC Singles Very good set. Now out of print (very quickly went from released to out of print, the estate dropped its deal with Concord). . . not easy to find. I didn't know about this. I am glad I got my copy when I did.Really outside the box. Duplicate puns intended in that. Blue Notes - The Ogun Collection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cih Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 F all that. You NEED this: Fire in My Bones seconded. Plus the follow up - "This May be My Last Time Singing". & Goodbye Babylon is fabulous (though not limited to black church of course). To accompany it, the Dust To Digital book/CD on baptisms is really nice - "Take Me To The Water" - great photos and music Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crisp Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I wouldn't usually recommend a PD release but this, which I'm currently listening to, is excellent and I believe ticks all your boxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Another one that is non-jazz and recent. Ray Charles - Singular Genius: The Complete ABC Singles Very good set. Now out of print (very quickly went from released to out of print, the estate dropped its deal with Concord). . . not easy to find. Damn! Had no idea! Seems impossible to find, what a pity! (All these "estates" ought to be shut down!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Wood Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) F all that. You NEED this: Fire in My Bones That's been on my short list to get for over a year now... How about a compilation box set? I recommend the "Goodbye Babylon" box on Dust to Digital. Alternatively, I have the first two four-disc sets in this excellent "History of Rhythm and Blues" series (spanning 1925 to 1952, they are highly enjoyable: http://www.rhythmand...uk/history.htm. They span quite a wide range of styles including country blues, gospel and jazz. They are well sequenced for an enjoyable listen all the way through. I have these as well, and second the rec... Adam, buy that set. It's a stunning set, well compiled and researched. The second set is good too, but not as good as the first. Also, this: Edited September 10, 2012 by Stefan Wood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Man Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) The Hawk set is an incredible (and incredibly engrossing) collection Seconded, it's an amazing set with relatively excellent sound. It thrashes all other Hawkins collections. Hans, there was a boxset that came out on Affinity called "The Complete Recordings 1929/1941". Affinity Boxset Do you happen to know how it compares with the JSP set in completeness & sound? Edited September 10, 2012 by Head Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 According to forum rules, not ok to link this. The link is to a JSP set, which is a European public-domain release, not a bootleg - even though JSP are often stealing other labels' masterings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 F all that. You NEED this: Fire in My Bones Oh, that looks very interesting. Thanks for posting that, Stefan. Another one that is non-jazz and recent. Ray Charles - Singular Genius: The Complete ABC Singles Very good set. Now out of print (very quickly went from released to out of print, the estate dropped its deal with Concord). . . not easy to find. Crikey! Glad I got it quickly! MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 Another one that is non-jazz and recent. Ray Charles - Singular Genius: The Complete ABC Singles Very good set. Now out of print (very quickly went from released to out of print, the estate dropped its deal with Concord). . . not easy to find. Damn! Had no idea! Seems impossible to find, what a pity! (All these "estates" ought to be shut down!) Struck lucky ... or rather tried my luck and went to see if the local disgusting used-to-be-discounter (the strategy of these darn chains is to be discounter until all others are closed down, and then the prices go up to regular crazy swiss level) still had the copy I remembered seing there, months ago ... and yes it was, and a wonderfully presented set this is! Looking forward to exploring the music (of which very, very little shall be familiar, I think). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 F all that. You NEED this: Fire in My Bones Had a look, wasn't sure that I NEEDED it, already having some similar musics in various forms, but sure as hell WANTED it, so I ordered it & have been playing it for the last two days, enjoying it very much every step of the way. I can map almost all of it back to some seminal "name" sources, but there's the odd thing here and there that seems so totally local as to be stunningly revelatory, and I say that as somebody who's spent a fair number of Sundays listening to local 15-minuite live broadcasts from local storefront churches where things got quite local, if you know what I mean. So, yeah. Recommended with no reservations whatsomever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Wood Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Another good release from Tompkins Square: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Another good release from Tompkins Square: If this release covers the years 1913-1938, I wonder why they used a picture of the sinking of the Titanic (1912) for the cover... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Because the news cycle was longer than 24 hours back then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Is Leo and his scrapbook referenced there, too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cih Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 The reason that compilation begins as early as 1913 is the inclusion of Cantor joseph Rosenblatt's 'El Mole Rachamin (Für Titanik)' - there are a number of other, later songs about the event on the set and the notes mention the way in which our "collective awe" is undiminished even today.. - there's not very much 'black church' on it though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Another good release from Tompkins Square: If this release covers the years 1913-1938, I wonder why they used a picture of the sinking of the Titanic (1912) for the cover... Maybe because they continued to sing about it? They could have even gone up to 2012 and included Bob Dylan's new one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 (edited) The Hawk set is an incredible (and incredibly engrossing) collection Seconded, it's an amazing set with relatively excellent sound. It thrashes all other Hawkins collections. Hans, there was a boxset that came out on Affinity called "The Complete Recordings 1929/1941". Affinity Boxset Do you happen to know how it compares with the JSP set in completeness & sound? Believe it or not, there is not that much overlap between the two sets. The Affinity set releases all known tracks with Coleman Hawkins other than those with Fletcher Henderson during 1929-1941. The Mosaic does not attempt to be comprehensive. Most of the earlier tracks are selected numbers with Fletcher Henderson that have Hawkins solos. None of them are on the Affinity box. The Affinity box includes a number of discs that contain all of Hawkins' European recordings from the 1930s. The Mosaic box contains none of these recordings for copyright reasons. There is a strong overlap on a few discs that contain Hawkins' American 1939-1941 recordings, but the Mosaic also has a good chunk from the later 1940s that is not on the Affinity box. Bottom line: If you like Hawkins and have the Affinity box, you still need the Mosaic. That is even separate from the major improvement in sound quality. Edited September 15, 2012 by John L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Man Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 The Hawk set is an incredible (and incredibly engrossing) collection Seconded, it's an amazing set with relatively excellent sound. It thrashes all other Hawkins collections. Hans, there was a boxset that came out on Affinity called "The Complete Recordings 1929/1941". Affinity Boxset Do you happen to know how it compares with the JSP set in completeness & sound? Believe it or not, there is not that much overlap between the two sets. The Affinity set releases all known tracks with Coleman Hawkins other than those with Fletcher Henderson during 1929-1941. The Mosaic does not attempt to be comprehensive. Most of the earlier tracks are selected numbers with Fletcher Henderson that have Hawkins solos. None of them are on the Affinity box. The Affinity box includes a number of discs that contain all of Hawkins' European recordings from the 1930s. The Mosaic box contains none of these recordings for copyright reasons. There is a strong overlap on a few discs that contain Hawkins' American 1939-1941 recordings, but the Mosaic also has a good chunk from the later 1940s that is not on the Affinity box. Bottom line: If you like Hawkins and have the Affinity box, you still need the Mosaic. That is even separate from the major improvement in sound quality. Thanks for that, John but it was a comparison between the Affinity and JSP sets that I was after. It's irrelevant now because I decided to buy a copy of the JSP set, anyway, a few days ago and I'm very happy with it. The remastering sounds terrific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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