Bird on Savoy, Dial

[Late]

For a one-disc Dial collection, this one's actually pretty good:

It's one of Peter Pfister's last master jobs for Hat.

[jazz man]

22 hours ago, jazzbo said:

If you want to get it all in one whack, that set is probably your best bet. There are other releases I think might sound a bit better on cd, for example all the Bird material that Savoy/Denon Japan released I personally prefer for Savoy, but that's a lot of discs not assembled in a set, and does not have the Dial material. The Spotlite might be the best way to go for Dial.

In my opinion now, decades after scurrying and collecting the material, the differences in most of the releases is not VAST and for listening and studying and enjoying Bird most will suffice. . . with that Atlantic/Savoy set probably the most sensible score.

Good to know, thanks! Which Savoy/Denon Japan releases should I be on the look out for to cover the Savoy sides?

[Late]

[jazzbo]

24 minutes ago, jazz man said:

Good to know, thanks! Which Savoy/Denon Japan releases should I be on the look out for to cover the Savoy sides?

https://www.discogs.com/release/11811716-Charlie-Parker-Newly-Discovered-Sides-By-The-Immortal-Charlie-Parker

https://www.discogs.com/release/11809769-Charlie-Parker-The-Charlie-Parker-Story

https://www.discogs.com/release/26558309-Charlie-Parker-Charlie-Parker-Memorial-Vol-1

https://www.discogs.com/release/10821061-Charlie-Parker-The-Genius-Of-Charlie-Parker

https://www.discogs.com/release/3079501-Charlie-Parker-Charlie-Parker-Memorial-Vol-2

https://www.discogs.com/release/11463434-Charlie-Parker-An-Evening-At-Home-With-The-Bird

That's most of them, if not all. 

 

 

[Holy Ghost]

1 hour ago, Late said:

👍 Yes.  This set sums it up for me. Spinning it right now. 

[JSngry]

2 hours ago, Big Beat Steve said:

Certainly, and agreed about a set made up ONLY of one alternate of each would not mean a loss of quality overall (and no loss of listening enjoyment, particularly to newbies with "fresh ears"). But taking this idea one step further, this would require identifying them as such anyway. Because the MASTER takes still are out there.

So what would we have, then? 
- A potential set of master takes (which already exists but will continue to exist)
- A potential set of alternates (ie. one alternate of each). Certainly an interesting package. 
But how to call this? "Bird - The complete preferred alternates"??  Hmmm ... 
(Because like I said I see no way of not labeling them as alternates at all, unless you're fine with muddling it all up ...)

I'd not venture a guess about what the "typical suspects" among the Birdophiles would reply. Particularly those who'd clamor again to go the whole way when digging into the alternates. And as the discographies tell us that NOT EACH Bird tune recorded on Dial and Savoy has at least three alternates, what would be next? How to label them NOT as something like "The complete alternate alternates" if you want to avoid resorting to something like "The connoisseur leftovers" or "Scraping the Bird barrel" or ...?  
(A fun thought, but also food for thought ...)

 

Let's not overthink this. Such as set would only need to be constructed by the individual user, pulled out of a "complete" set. Simple as that 

All of the richness of Bird with none of the "redundancy" of consecutive takes of the same tune.

So buy a/some complete sets, then chop it/them up.. Win/win!!!!!

 

[jazz man]

6 hours ago, jazzbo said:

https://www.discogs.com/release/11811716-Charlie-Parker-Newly-Discovered-Sides-By-The-Immortal-Charlie-Parker

https://www.discogs.com/release/11809769-Charlie-Parker-The-Charlie-Parker-Story

https://www.discogs.com/release/26558309-Charlie-Parker-Charlie-Parker-Memorial-Vol-1

https://www.discogs.com/release/10821061-Charlie-Parker-The-Genius-Of-Charlie-Parker

https://www.discogs.com/release/3079501-Charlie-Parker-Charlie-Parker-Memorial-Vol-2

https://www.discogs.com/release/11463434-Charlie-Parker-An-Evening-At-Home-With-The-Bird

That's most of them, if not all. 

 

Thank you! Although, am I missing something or is there no individual Savoy/Denon disc that features the Tiny Grimes Quintet sides?

Edited 7 hours ago by jazz man

[Holy Ghost]

11 hours ago, JSngry said:

Make a Bird compilation of only alternates, one per tune.

Pretty good record!

Maybe on to something, that could be a 2-CD set.

[Chuck Nessa]

1 hour ago, jazz man said:

Thank you! Although, am I missing something or is there no individual Savoy/Denon disc that features the Tiny Grimes Quintet sides?

They are in the first disc of this series -

[JSngry]

1 hour ago, Holy Ghost said:

Maybe on to something, that could be a 2-CD set.

The Lord helps those who help themselves.

[Holy Ghost]

21 minutes ago, JSngry said:

The Lord helps those who help themselves.

Amen. 

[jazzbo]

6 hours ago, jazz man said:

Thank you! Although, am I missing something or is there no individual Savoy/Denon disc that features the Tiny Grimes Quintet sides?

I think you are right, there is no cd with those tracks in that series. I think they were only originally released on 78s, without a 'fifties LP reissue--that series from Denon Japan was reissuing former LPs. Chuck is right that they are on that cd which is not part of the series.

Edited 1 hour ago by jazzbo