Chuck Nessa

As a major "pisser" on Rat's "intellectual" thread I should say something, I guess. If it came up again I'd respond the same way. The reason is his choice of a JMc piece. I have known JMc since 1966 and think he's an idiot and a real jerk. I foolishly had this identical fight with John back then and it is really old news to see the same crap again. If I'd encountered the piece in the magazine I'd have ignored it, but read the letters to follow. I think Rat made an unfortunate choice and paid the price. I should also say I am suspicious of "intellectual discussions" which tend to have more words than ideas and a 40 year old fight fits that bill for me. edit to correct the year I met JMc.

Boy, are you smart! I don't believe you have a clue about how such decisions are made. Some by artists, some by "businessmen". Maybe some of these decisions need to be respected.

So........Art and/or Alfred were not happy with the results and decided to record the band "live". WHY do we "deserve" to hear stuff just because is was on tape? This is something I have never understood.

Off topic, but I was involved with the US issue of this record. The photo of Shepp was taken at the Down Beat jazz fest when he played with the Coltrane Quartet. I was there and the late Bill Abernathy took the shot. Back to your usual programming.

Company 2 - Evan Parker, Anthony Braxton and Derek Bailey on Incus.

I dig them too and didn't want to imply that I didn't. Those guys get their point across in their own way and chops and polish aren't a part of it - it wouldn't be the same any other way. You don't have to be a virtuoso to get your point across, but virtuosity shouldn't count against you either. For once Mister Z, I have a huge problem with something you said. Those guys have more chops than needed for a "real" message. There are thousands of "faster/cleaner" players out there executing "empty nothings". Being able to communicate is the ultimate "chops" - don't have much to do with tight lips, finger speed, etc. This sounds like the "Monk wars" all over again.

How the hell did Fritz get into this discussion?

AND the band recorded much of the same material 5 weeks later "at the jazz corner of the world".

If you are interested in Henderson, avoiding the Classics is a big mistake. I have all of them and the 2 Neatwork suppliments.

Steve's original question seems to have been lost in the flurry of posts. This was not meant as a "time machine" question. Steve seems to have ignored the results as well. I hope he returns.

Granz didn't stop recording jam sessions for Verve, he just started giving the sessions names like Sittin' In, Jazz Giants of '58, Tour de Force, etc.

Get the Bobo Stensen box.

hey, Meester Mooster, if you need any Okka Disks I'm your big supplier daddy.

Don't think anyone has mentioned the 2 (Japanese) Why Not dates, Air Song and Air Raid. These are well recorded, beautifully played dates. India Navigation reissued them in the US. I'm more than "happy" Threadgill renamed the band after Steve McCall was ousted. It was a different band. BTW, I'm with Sangrey about all of Threadgill's music. For me he's one of a number of guys (in Chicago) in the '60s & '70s creating their own "musical world". Roscoe, Braxton, Henry and Leo Smith all created something really personal and they all continue. We have Muhal to thank for the "atmosphere" and more for these creations.

Is is getting hot in here?

FWIW the former GM of Charly, Joop Visser, now runs the Proper operation.

We had Globe Unity at the Chicago Jazz Festival in the early '80s. Bill Smith said the audience reaction was "just like Berlin"!

That's good news! Maybe he'll be impressed enough to reissue Nonaah for me! Put me on that list also Chuck! Yeah, that's next. Then maybe Saga of the Outlaws.

Happy, happy.

How many of you Classics collectors are buying the Neatwork companion cds? I have about a dozen of them so far.

Do not overlook the Billy Banks/Jack Bland Rhythmakers sessions. Wonderful Red and Pee Wee too.

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What a bunch of crap. Smiley is nice, Wild Honey was nice, etc. Time to grow beyond this stuff. I hope Brian finds peace. Albert is dead.

Some how, I knew that would interest you.