Chuck Nessa

I don't think Mike knew much beyond what he absorbed from the typical (for the time) college/Chicago scene. By this I mean he knew the names and basic styles but was not deeply into any of it. An interesting bit of the flavor of mid '60s musical Chicago (from a white kid perspective) can be gleaned from a series of pieces by Nick Gravenites (Nick the Greek) available HERE. Nick is a bit over the top but you get the idea. Also note, Lester Bowie is not on the recording of "Whole Lotta Soul" mentioned, but Roscoe, Julian Priester and Steve McCall are. I do have one of the surviving pressings. This was recorded before Lester moved to Chicago. I think Nick remembers Lester from the Summer '68 trip by the Art Ensemble when they crashed at his place outside San Francisco. BTW, Baby Face Willette is mentioned briefly in Nick's "journal".

Up for the final day. Thanks to all participants.

GREAT! Now I'll understand them.

Damn, I knew I should have ordered 12. I sat down with a long list and ordered "in stock" items 'til I hit the $100 limit for free shipping. Turned out to be 5 regular OJCs and 6 Limited Editions.

Don produced the Gibbs for Muse but it was not issued by them. Don got the tapes as part of the split.

Unfortunately (right B-) ) I ordered 11 OJCs from AllDirect last night. Talk about buyer remorse!

Not from the same sessions. Atlas was recorded feb 2001 and Map Theory is from Sept 2002.

The strong Hines influence is correct. As I said, he joined Andy Kirk's band in '43, so that makes him old enough.

All thoughts of presents for self died today with our refrigerator.

Onyx was a "murky" partnership between Schlitten and Joe Fields. Don also produced new sessions for Muse and the labels were marketed in tandem. After Joe and Don "divorced" the Onyx tapes and some unissued Muse sessions were tied up in a prolonged legal squabble. This was sorted out a few years back and Don put out an unissued Terry Gibbs lp before he stopped operations. Joe has issued some on the Onyx material on High Note. My favorite sessions on Xanadu are the Al Cohn, Jimmy Raney and Sonny Criss dates.

Mike Bloomfield? My old screaming match partner? In '66/67 when I worked at the Jazz Record Mart, Mike occasionally hung out late at night. He never spoke quietly or held back his opinions. He loved to argue and kept saying he couldn't believe I'd fallen for the "AACM bullshit" and was actually recording it. He kept screaming it was "formless garbage only a stupid white man would buy". He said Ascension was more "formless bullshit" until one night I pushed him to a chair and made him LISTEN. I miss the guy. He was fun.

Yes, John is on both of my Freeman cds. I also used him on my Eddie Johnson record - not on cd yet, but still available on vinyl.

Notice I said CBBB - I was not commenting on your list.

It was Sid Frey. Elmo sold the same tunes over and over to different companies- sometimes with new titles and sometimes not. Considering that I find it hard to see Frey as the bad guy.

While I believe some do overrate Terry, I don't think I said anything of the kind. I was responding to the absurd 6 hour test and making a personal reaction. BTW, the photo only shows a portion of my collection.

I suggest:

In the early '60s I had lots of exposure to Maynard's band live. It was a blast and I can construct (in my mind) six hours of interesting/maybe brilliant playing. I do not think I could experience this in "real time".

Klook was amazing "in person". He had a unique sound and the brush/snare/cymbal work was magical. In the late '70s he was in Chicago for a week or two to tape a TV show (Diz tribute) and worked a week at Joe Segal's. I went to the club and the show tapings. I envy our French friends with more opportunities to listen. I think the CBBB has it's own qualities (very fine), but it's not the best place to hear Klook. Two drummers blur the image.

I would add the Miles Prestige sessions, Klook's disc in the Americans Swinging In Paris series and Eddy Louiss trio cd on Dreyfus. The Louiss date is a real sleeper.

Up, for the home stretch.

On point:

For me, a Clark Terry chorus contains 3 winks, 4 nudges and an occasional whoopie cushion. It has nothing to do with his "stage presentation/comedy". I was talking about music. Diz occupied a whole different world.

Not a Johnny Wadd thread? Never mind. B-) B-)

My loss too.

All of my favorite "late Peppers" have Stanley Cowell on piano - Today and the live sessions from Maiden Voyage. Red Mitchell is a distraction (for me) on Straight Life.