Michael Fitzgerald

Wilen was so ahead of things there - EVERYTHING except Hackensack was "first recording apart from Monk" (and I think Hackensack was the same regarding a recording under that title as opposed to Rifftide or Oh, Lady Be Good). It's like how Renaud & Jaspar did an all-Gigi Gryce album in 1953! As for the tangential "first Monk tune recorded without Monk on the date" - wouldn't the 1957 Steve Lacy "Work" be very late? I mean, Bud Powell recorded "Off Minor" in 1947 even before Monk did, and there were the 1944 Cootie Williams things (with Bud also) - "Epistrophy" by Cootie in 1942 (or is that composed by Kenny Clarke?), and the 1946 Gillespie "'Round Midnight", etc. Or maybe there is some stipulation that I'm missing? Mike

According to the OJC blurb, Griff & Lock's "Lookin' At Monk" (Jazzland 939, rec. Feb. 7, 1961) was #2 - "The only previous all-Monk effort by someone other than Monk himself was Steve Lacy's Reflections." If my info is correct, the Wilen had other tracks mixed with Monk. Mike

Hey, you know what they say: a little bit of knowledge.....is more than I have on the subject. Mike

I guess I'm confused by what the 20% is - I would have thought that would be me flipping a coin 100 times and for only 20 of those it would have been raining, not anything to do with geographic area. How's this - http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/byz/wxtalk/talk16.php That seems to be more in line with what I'm thinking. Mike

What? That makes no sense. So the chance of rain is 100% for some 20% of the geographic area? Let's say the geographic area is Pennsylvania. Let's say the window is 3 hours. It will definitely rain somewhere in Pennsylvania during those 3 hours and the total of all the places where it rains will add up to 20% of the state? Can't it just not rain at all anywhere in Pennsylvania during the entire 3 hours - and "oops, that was the 80%"? Mike

Man, that's a marketing dream - get yourself out on the street and do some "exclusive eyewitness interviews" for the TV viewing public wearing a Nessa Records T-shirt. Mike

Maybe not that one, but there are others by Schlitten from that night. For example, page 102 of Ken Vail's book "Miles' Diary." Mike

He got a chance to tour with the 21st Century Police*? Mike * Sting and Andy Summers not included.

It's a mess all right. Here's what Bruyninckx CDROM has: Gerald Wilson (tp) Teddy Edwards, Jimmy Allen (ts) Hampton Hawes (p) Herman Mitchell (g) Jimmy Hamilton (b) Jimmy Miller (d) Los Angeles, Ca., May 8, 1953 Red shirt Pacific Jazz 302, JWC 512 Harold Land All Stars : Gerald Wilson (tp) Harold Land (ts) Jackie Davis (org) Jim Hall (g) Curtis Counce (b) Nat Morris Jr. (d) Los Angeles, late 1959 E6599 Blowin' the blues World Pacific WL1289 Blowin' the blues (alt take) Jazz West Coast JWC512 -Singin' the blues- : Jimmy Witherspoon (vcl) acc by Gerald Wilson (tp) Teddy Edwards, Jimmy Allen (ts) Hampton Hawes (p) Herman Mitchell (g) Jimmy Hamilton (b) Jimmy Miller (d) + vcl group-1 Los Angeles, May 8, 1958 8239 Times have changed World Pacific WP1267, PJ327, X327, Fresh Sound (Sp)FRS-CD173 All that's good (1) World Pacific WP1267, X807, Fresh Sound (Sp)FSR-CD173, Vogue (E)V2420 There's good rockin' tonight (*) World Pacific WP1267, WP1289, X814, Fresh Sound (Sp)FSR-CD173 When I've been drinking (*) World Pacific WP1267, Fresh Sound (Sp) FSR-CD173, Artist (Swd)AEP1056 It ain't what you're thinking (+) World Pacific WP1267, Fresh Sound (Sp) FSR-CD173 Wee baby blues (*) World Pacific WP1267, Artist (Swd)AEP 1056, Fresh Sound (Sp)FRS-CD173 Midnight blue (Red shirt)(inst)(+)(#) Fresh Sound (Sp)FSR-CD173 Note : Entire session on Blue Note CDP7243.494108-2 (the first title incorrectly as Times are changing), rest of this CD see following session. Fresh Sound CD says that the (+) titles were recorded on May 18, 1958. (*) These titles on Prestige PRCD-11008-2 entitled "Jazz me blues-The best of Jimmy Witherspoon but list the date incorrectly as May 8, 1956, rest of this CD see following sessions. All titles except (#) on World Pacific WP1402, Fontana (Eu)688005ZL both as "There's good rockin' tonight" and Vogue (E)LAE12218. Here's what Lord CDROM 5.0 has: =============================== [D966-5] Jackie Davis Harold Land (ts) Jackie Davis (org) poss with others. 1950's Blowin' blues Pacific Jazz 303 Red shirt - [E495-5] Teddy Edwards Gerald Wilson (tp) Teddy Edwards, Jimmy Allen (ts) Hampton Hawes (p) Herman Mitchell (g) Jimmy Hamilton (b) Jimmy Miller (d) Los Angeles, May 8, 1953 Red shirt Pacific Jazz 302, JWC 512 [E496-5] Harry "Sweets" Edison (tp) Henry McDode (p) replace Gerald Wilson, Hampton Hawes Los Angeles, May 16, 1958 Midnight blues Pacific Jazz JWC 512 Note: For further details see under Jimmy Witherspoon. [L781-5] Harold Land Harold Land All Stars: Gerald Wilson (tp) Harold Land (ts) Jackie Davis (org) Jim Hall (g) Curtis Counce (b) Nat Morris, Jr. (d) Los Angeles, late 1959 E6599 Blowin' the blues World Pacific WL1289 Blowin' the blues (alt take) Jazz West Coast JWC512 [W8186-5] Jimmy Witherspoon (vcl) acc by ts-1, p-1, g, b, d, tamb-2 prob. Hollywood, CA, early 1958 RIP-105 Endless sleep (2) Rip RP-126, Stompin (E)101 RIP-106 Coming home (1) - , Fresh Sound (Sp)FSR-CD173 [CD] Note: The above single credited to "Jimmy Witherspoon and Band". Fresh Sound (Sp)FSR-CD173 [CD] titled "Midnight Blues"; see May 8 & 16, 1958 and 1960 for further titles; one further title ("Midnight blues" [Red shirt]) by Teddy Edwards, May 8, 1958. [W8187-5] Singin' The Blues: Jimmy Witherspoon (vcl) acc by Gerald Wilson (tp) Teddy Edwards, Jimmy Allen (ts) Hampton Hawes (p) Herman Mitchell (g) Jimmy Hamilton (b) Jimmy Miller (d) + vcl group -1 Los Angeles, May 8, 1958 There's good rockin' tonight (*) World Pacific WP1267, X814, WP1289 Times are changing - , X327 Wee baby blues (*) - , Artist (Swd)AEP1056 When I've been drinking (*) - , Artist (Swd)AEP1056 It ain't what you're thinkin' - All that's good (1) - , X807, Vogue (E)V2420 Note: "Times are changing" as "Times have changed" on most releases. (*) These 3 titles also on Prestige PRCD-11008-2 [CD] titled "Jazz Me Blues : The Best of Jimmy Witherspoon"; liner notes incorrectly list date as May 8, 1956; see various flwg sessions to 1965-66 for rest of CD. All above titles also on Blue Note CDP7243-4-94108-2-4 [CD] titled "Singin' The Blues"; see May 16, 1958 for rest of CD. All above titles also on World Pacific WP1402, Fontana (Eu)688.005ZL (both titled "There's Good Rockin' Tonight"), Vogue (E)LAE12218, Fresh Sound (Sp)FSR-CD173 [CD]. [W8188-5] Harry "Sweets" Edison (tp) Henry McDode (p) replace Gerald Wilson, Hampton Hawes Los Angeles, May 16, 1958 When the lights go out (*) World Pacific WP1267, X807 'Tain't nobody's business if I do - , X814, X-327 S.K. blues - Spoon's blues - Sweet's blues - Note: World Pacific X807 incorrectly lists "When the lights go out" as "Then the lights go out". (*) This title also on Prestige PRCD-11008-2 [CD]; with liner notes incorrectly listing date as May 16, 1956. All titles from World Pacific WP1267 also on Fontana (Du)688005TL, Vogue (E)VDJ527, LAE12218, World Pacific WP-1402 (titled "There's Good Rockin' Tonight !"). All above titles also on Blue Note CDP7243-4-94108-2-4 [CD], Fresh Sound (Sp)FSR-CD173 [CD]. =============================== Pretty sure the 1953 is an error, should be May 8, 1958 - Bruyninckx had it wrong and Lord copied the mistake. Mike

I did happen upon that. I don't give the marriage much longer. Her mention of "Goodwill" as alternative storage was the tip-off. Mike

If you find that helpful, you might like this: http://www.jazzdiscography.com/Labels/ Mike

I'm no fan of the recent Who, but I mean, compared with Creedence Clearwater Revisited, it's another world. The Who has the lead singer and the guitarist/prime songwriter. What does CCR have - oh, the drummer and bassist. Oh yeah. Like they were soooo distinctive. Mike

Sorry, you misheard - Creed Taylor, not Cecil. Mike

Maybe some people are unaware that Manzarek, Krieger, and Densmore put out two albums as The Doors after Morrison died (Other Voices & Full Circle). And then after that, Densmore and Krieger formed The Butts Band. No one really cared for any of these. I'm waiting for the 21st Century Butts Band. Now, that's got a ring to it. Mike

According to Lord they are the same, but he's also got the guy who recorded in 1958 with Bubber Johnson and Tommy Dean in there too, so that leaves an unlikely gap from 1958 to 1971 (Mainstream) to 1977 (Lionel Hampton presents Bill Doggett) then Frank Foster, Clark Terry, Ted Harris, Ted Curson, then Ruth Brown (1988) and finishing up with a leader date on Mapleshade. Now, obviously Lord has screwed something up because the above guy has a note "aka C.I. Williams" but then there's a separate entry for Charles "C.I." Williams who is listed on a single date for Ruth Brown (1994). Wish I could ask Ted Dunbar. Mike

Just go here: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/hardbop/Massey/Massey.html Mike

I happened to see a nice spot on Keith Jarrett by complete serendipity - the Jim Lehrer NewsHour on PBS tonight had it. Who knew?! In addition to a very good number of historical clips (from Charles Lloyd, Miles at Isle of Wight, playing Bach, with the trio, solo concert), KJ did a face to face interview, which is pretty rare. It was at his home studio in NJ. I was particularly interested to see him talk about his new record "Radiance" and actually recreate some of it for the interviewer after the fact to make a point about how it was improvised. Apparently the new record is available on DVD, so I may pick up that instead of the CD. Mike

Anyone have the story on why "Love Song" was later retitled as "Love Stone"? I believe it was on the Branford Marsalis "Renaissance" album. Mike

I would have been happier if they stopped at 1980, but thank God they didn't include Trevor Horn singing any classic stuff - he was horrible on that. I do think it's a little curious not to have anything from 1984. If I recall correctly, by 1971 "America" wasn't as good as it was in 1970. Somewhere I have a version that is over 20 minutes and is amazing with all kinds of tempo changes. Mike

My website has discographies of Julian Euell, Don Friedman, and Edgar Bateman. There is some additional information on the relevant Roulette sessions. Mike

Thanks for the kind words. What I found difficult in writing biography was how to get all the great things that we had researched into the book. Our use of so many direct quotes from interviews affected things quite a bit. But I'd rather have a primary participant tell the story than some Johnny-come-lately paraphrase it. For many others you see undigested research? I see unresearched indigestion. Too many of them don't have the "due diligence." Mike

Strongly disagree about the Caruso. What I hear from proponents of his system are good but not great players. If my suspicions are correct, the original poster has some experience with the Vincent Cichowicz approach (mention of flow studies) - may I presume that "templejazz" means studying with Terrell Stafford at Temple Univ.? Terrell got his stuff from Bill Fielder, who got it straight from Cichowicz and Adolph Herseth, who are on an entirely different plane of trumpet from Caruso. If you have your wind together, any dental situation can be overcome because this trumpet concept is not about embouchure and muscles but about wind and song (a la Arnold Jacobs). If you're on that track already, going down the Caruso road will be counterproductive. Think about what you were doing when you were studying with a teacher - you know what you have to do. Just do it. Don't expect it to happen tomorrow (or later this afternoon). Mike

Just a friendly reminder that this function does exist now. Perhaps this information will be useful to some folks who have been mired in a nasty thread. Since we pleaded for the function, it's only fair to expect us to use it when appropriate. Mike

Yeah, you have to account for the exchange rate: 150,000 U.S. = 100,000 Canadian. Mike

Yes, I am all over this and have been since I first got word of it. Holy crap - $63 - and there will probably be somewhere that has it for less. Good gracious. Apart from the articles and the covers and the cartoons, it's a researcher's dream. The New Yorker did quite a good job of keeping track of New York club listings. Mike