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This chimp is clearly overqualified to run a Jazz record label. Bertrand.

Wayne Shorter Quartet Keswick Theatre, Glenside, PA, 10/8/05 Wayne Shorter (ts, ss); Danilo Perez (p); John Patitucci (b); Brian Blade (d) 1. Unknown piece (possibly Zero Gravity?) 2. She Moved Through The Fair (Traditional) 3. On Wings Of Song (Felix Medelssohn) 4. Go/As Far As The Eye Can See (Wayne Shorter) 5. Smilin' Through (Arthur Penn) 6. Midnight In Carlotta's Hair (Wayne Shorter) 7. Joy Ryder (Wayne Shorter) 8. (Encore) Adventures Aboard The Golden Mean (Wayne Shorter)

Wayne Shorter Quartet Sylvan Amphitheatre, Washington, D.C., 10/1/05 Wayne Shorter (ts, ss); Danilo Perez (p); John Patitucci (b); Brian Blade (d) 1. Unknown piece (possibly Zero Gravity?) 2. Go/As Far As The Eye Can See (Wayne Shorter) 3. She Moved Through The Fair (Traditional) 4. Smilin' Through (Arthur Penn) 5. Joy Ryder (Wayne Shorter)

It's possible that Dorn is in actual physical possession of the tapes, but somehow I have my doubts. It seems hard for me to believe that Manker and co. would have tunned them over lock, stock, and barrel. I could be wrong. Dorn is the one to ask. Bertrand,

I saw that show, but I remember her calling him Kenny Herbcock. Later in the show, it turned out they ditched the Herbie tickets and went to a classical gig instead. Bertrand.

It seems pretty reasonable of Sco' to even allow private trading - how many artists have such a note on their website? Bertrand.

Soul Stream, I don't want to discourage you, but the odds of finding this tape, if it exists, are slim to none. When I first started finding unrecorded Lee Morgan tunes at the Library of Congress, I started looking around to see if any private tapes existed that might include some of these pieces. My theory was that even if a tune never made it to an album, it might have been performed live. Of course, live gigs with Lee Morgan from the mid to late sixties aren't exactly floating around. One lead was the left bank jazz society stuff. I knew there was one CD on Fresh Sound from these gigs (1968, with Clifford Jordan, Ed Blackwell and John Hicks), and I thought perhaps there could be more. Somewhere, I read that the left bank tapes had wound up at Morgan State University near Baltimore. In those days, the society was still holding gigs (they now stopped about 3 years ago), and I called the number I got for tickets to ask about the tapes. I came across a guy named Leon Manker who was thoroughly unpleasant. He essentially said that he was only willing to let people listen to the tapes if they were from a record company and interested in buying them. So the trail ran cold. Then, of course, a few years ago Joel Dorn started putting stuff out but that didn't last long. I was told that Dorn had to put aside some stuff because the sound was just too crappy (for some reason, the left bank people took pride in using bad equipment for their recordings - I read this in some article about them a few years ago). A few weeks ago, I was reminded of the whole story of the left bank tapes and the Morgan state lead by a friend of mine. So I called the Morgan State library. The librarian asked around and called me back. The tapes were there for a long time (20 years?) for storage purposes, but were never integrated into the collection. At this point, he did not think they had them anymore. He cited a Baltimore Sun article that mentioned the whole Dorn thing, and the librarian was under the impression from the article that Dorn actually owned the tapes now. I doubt this. So where do we stand? 1. Perhaps Dorn does have the tapes. Does anyone here know him? 2. A lot of the left bank people are dead now, but Leon Manker may still be living. I'll let someone else call him. 3. There is a DJ on WPFW in D.C., Rick Williams, who is a nice guy. He used to be the D. C. contact for the LBJS (he sold tickets), so he may have a line on them. I suspect he will just send me back to Manker, however. I'll try calling him. So, as you see, the trail is pretty cold. But the tapes are out there somewhere. I'd love to hear the Roy Haynes Quartet with Wayne Shorter, since I was told they were playing Wayne's Blue Note material on the gigs ('House Of Jade' was specifically mentioned by the band's bassits, Larry Ridley). I think Albert Dailey was also on the gig. if Dorn has tapes that are unreleasable, this is the kind of thing that could be made available for download at least. Someone needs to pursue this, but probably not me. Bertrand.

I noticed the same thing. I think it's because on a lot of live albums, the cuts are kind of blended together, even though there's an official separation between tracks. If you burn the CD straight through, it works fine. If you burn it track by track, you get the abrupt ending. Haven't figured out how to sove it in iTunes yet. Sometimes I join tracks, but usually only on studio stuff (e.g., the suite on Side A of Ballad Of The Fallen - if you don't merge 'em, the tracks end abruptly). For live stuff, I live with it, knowing that the CD player is still the optimal playback system - the iPod is for convenience, but what convenience! Some people have asked me why I keep the CDs after they've been loaded into iTunes! What kind of reply can I give them? Bertrand.

I think you mean 'Sixteen', not 'Skippy'. Bertrand.

Felser, Are you sure about the Grubbs brothers living in Philly? I see Carl occasionally, and I'm pretty sure he lives in Baltimore. As for Earl, he passed away quite a while ago. I don't know the cirumstances, but I know it deeply affected Carl. Bertrand.

Bono may get the Nobel Peace Prize? Who's next, Henry Kissinger? Bertrand.

Did Jimmy record 'Far Away Lands' before this date, or is Hank Mobley's the first version on record? Bertrand.

Is Matt dropping a subtle hint? Bertrand.

Done. Thanks for the replies. I'll get Hill and Patton next week, and wait until I digested (and iPoded!) those before moving on to Mr. T. Fortunately, thanks to this board, if ever Stan the Man makes the endangered list earlier than Christmas, I will know here right away. Bertrand.

I'll try to change the header! Bertrand.

I'm probably going to order the Andrew Hill and John Patton selects next week. I'll get the Stanley Turrentine around Christmas, and the Carmell Jones early next year. Are any of these in danger? Should I change the order of my purchases? I also plan to get the Tolliver and Jazztet, but those are recent releases. Thanks, Bertrand.

A quick search at jazzdisco.org (a far from definitive or accurate site, but good for quickie searches) shows George Benson on: Lou Donaldson: Alligator Bogaloo 4/7/67 Hank Mobley: Reach Out! 1/19/68 Larry Young: Heaven On Earth 2/9/68 Lee Morgan: Taru 2/15/68 Lou Donaldson: Midnight Creeper: 3/15/68 Lonnie Smith: Live At Club Mozambique 5/21/70 Ronnie Foster: Cheshire Cat 3/21/75 (background vocals only) Ronnie Foster: Cheshire Cat 3/24/75 (guitar and background vocals) Stanley Turrentine: Straight Ahead 12/7/84 Freddie Hubbard: Life Flight 1/23/87 Bertrand.

I'm not sure what distinction you are making between standards and tunes from Golson's repertoire - all four of the pieces you list are his compositions, and all four can safely be called standards. Bertrand.

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Ray, I sent a PM with my phone numbers but I'm not sure it went out. If not, I'll try again tonight. Bertrand.

David, That anecdote is in the Zawinul bio by Brian Glasser, and Chester Thompson is the unfortunate recipient of the telegram. There may be something in Mercer's book as well, but I have only read it by jumping back and forth, so I may have missed it. Despite its flaws (see elsewhere), I do intend to read through Michelle's book cover to cover, since it is the only Wayne bio out there. By the way, Wayne kicked ass at the Washington monument yesterday. Can't wait to see him in Philly next week. Bertrand.

I always assumed Wayne's 'backseat' role in Weather Report was also partly due to family issues. These are documented in Michelle Mercer's book. Sometimes life and its hardships get in the way of art. Bertrand.

I own the Nippon/Savoy version of this CD, which has 9 tracks. I knew there was a 'Body And Soul' out-take which was on later CD issues, but it was not worth buying a new CD for that one track. iTunes has two versions of this material, both of which have 'Body And Soul'. One is the recent Timeless CD (with the yucky cover), the other is also called Jazz Composers' Workshop. I bought the one on Timeless (3:09) to have a complete CD in my iPod (and deleted the yucky cover). BUT, the other version is listed in iTunes as 'alternate take 1, previously unreleased'. The timing is close (3:07), and from the 30 second sound clips they sound the same. So, the question is: Is the 3:07 version an alternate of the 3:09 version, or are these the same take? Thanks, Bertrand.

Thank you, Brownie. So the two takes I have are actually alternates, and I dod not have tracks 1, 2 and 5 either - so this is a must buy. I'm almost done putting the complete Booker Little discography into my iPod, and 'Cliff Walk' is missing (although apparently it's the same composition as 'Looking Ahead'). Don Sickler was raving to me about how great this track was - can't wait to hear it. I apologize for accidentally putting this in the wrong forum - does anybody know how I can move this to discography? Thanks, Bertrand.

I agree with everything Stefan said. I'll just add an (approximate) set list: 1. Unknown title (perhaps Zero Gravity) 2. Go 3. As Far As The Eye Can See 4. She Moved Through The Fair 5. Smilin' Through 6. Joy Ryder I am going to see him in Philly next Saturday - just can't enough of this stuff. Bertrand.