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Even on the records, Lou often takes the last solo. Bertrand.

Cali, This is exactly the kind of first-hand info I was looking for! Since you remember hearing about the beating around 1964, and since I know that Lee had some stretches of inactivity (i.e. no recordings) in the later sixties, I'm starting to wonder if there were not several such incidents, and if the earlier one messed up his chops permanently. However, at least to my ears, his chops are fine on such later recordings as Sonic Boom, so I'm not sure how permanent the damage was. It was always my understanding that the famous anecdote about the radio tribute around 1962 was more the result of Lee's being off the NY scene than any erroneous reports of his actual demise. The dee jay had just made an assumption. Bertrand.

Does anyone actually really know when the incident occurred in which Lee Morgan was mugged and had his teeth knocked out? It was first alluded to by Duke Pearson (although listed as a swimming accident) in the liner notes to BN's shameless Memorial album that came out minutes after Lee was killed. Recently, it was stated on this board that the incident occurred shortly before the recording date for The Stroker, and that it explained Lee's weak chops on that record. The incident was also used to explain his chops on the Lighthouse date. Now, it is claimed that it occurred before Night Of The Cookers, explaining some weak chops there. The incident in question, by the way, may have occurred outside Slugs', where Lee was later killed. Burton Greene told me a few years back that it was a rough place, and that he almost got stabbed there himself. A more interesting question seems to pop up - why is it that Lee appears to have chops problems on certain recordings, and it seems to be apparent on different recordings for different listeners? Could we be holding him to a higher standard that other trumpeters (KD and Miles leap to mind)? Or could his chops have gone up and down according to his involvement with drugs? Are there any of his colleagues out there who know any more about this mugging? As a general rule (and this was pointed out to me by the Rutgers student who did his thesis on Lee), much more is known about Lee's early years than his life during the sixties. In fact, come to think of it, what do we know about these musicians' lives during the second half of the sixties? Jackie Mac actually owned a candy store near Slugs', which is not something I would immediately associate with him. Another student at Rutgers was on the old board, and was working on a thesis on Mobley. I wonder how much he found out about him in that period. There are very few known interviews (I know of only two). Bertrand.

Joe, Did you go to the Monterey concert? Which of these arrangements did they do? I was at Lincoln Center in 1998. They did 'Orbits' and 'Angola', but the arrangements were quite different. I did notice the peak distortion, at least on the copy I burned of my original CD to listen to in the car. I didn't notice it on my original, though. Bertrand.

Lon, But you really need a pair of new shoes... Bertrand.

Happy Birthday, Jim. P.S. Soul Stream, Miles Davis' birthday is 5/26 - another self-propagating Leonard Feather gaffe. Bertrand.

Are these available in stores in Paris, France? How many euros? Thanks, Bertrand.

What was the subject line? Bertrand.

I was able to snag one of the last copies before musicboy used his industry clout to have them all pulled from circulation. I've gotten through about half of it and am enjoying it immensely. The recorded sound is excellent as well - I love the way the guitar and the b-3 blend together. Great job, guys! Bertrand.

If Aric were here, he'd vote for Dream Weaver I'm I the only one who remembers that amazing post? Bertrand.

I hate to sound picky, but Miles Davis did record for Blue Note, both as a leader and a sideman. Bertrand.

Two comments: 1. The Feather book is not a reliable source. As was pointed out above, Andrew was born in Chicago, but for years Haiti was mistakenly indicated. I don't know where the mistake originated. 2. Feather apparently pissed off a lot of musicians by giving out their home address. Bertrand.

According to Blue Note lore, test pressings of Back To The Tracks were made. I wonder how much that item would fetch... Bertrand.

Ed, You are more than a trouble-making jerk (according to the Norah Shankar-Jones board's moderator), you are a 'viscous' trouble-making jerk! Bertrand.

Andrew Hill was born in Chicago. Bertrand.

Jackie McLean and Dewey Redman both turn 72 TODAY!!! Bertrand.

A lot of these titles can be obtained in the U.S. from www.daedalusbooks.com The Mingus is way overpriced - if you paid more than $.25 for it, you got scammed. The Monk reader is quite good, although I think there are some things missing. I'm seriously thinking of compiling a Wayne Shorter reader myself. Bertrand.

Webster Young it is. Webster mainly recorded as a sideman, mostly with Jackie Mac, all of it in 1957. His one 'official' album as a leader, For Lady, is a sleeper - highly recommended. He also has some bootlegs out from the early sixties which I have never heard. Webster was a fixture in D.C. for along time, but he moved to Portland, Oregon, last year. We miss him. Bertrand.

Oh, and the bio of Joe Zawinul is excellent - much better than the Jaco book, IMO. Bertrand.

Soul Stream, I'm glad you are reverting your position! You won't regret it - some Weather Report is so-so, but most of it is kick-ass. When they were good, they were fantastic. Some of my favorite tracks: Eurydice Cucumber Slumber Palladium Boogie Woogie Waltz Five Short Stories Madagascar I have a theory that Joe Zawinul's keyboard sound was partly influenced by John Patton's, especially John's work on That Certain Feeling. Let me know what you think after you've absorbed some WR! Bertrand.

I got volume 1 and volume 3 of the London Collection (1201 version) at Daedalus for about $7 each. But they never had volume 2. Based on this fact, and the fact that the link above does not show volume 2, it is not clear that volume 2 ever came out as a 1201. Bertrand.

Whenever I run into the situation described above by Dan, I make a point of making exaggerated flushing noises so that the person on the other end is absolutely sure what locale he is being called from. What are these people thinking??? Bertrand.

Love the cover art on that definitive Holiday set! Who would buy such an obvious sham? Bertrand.

By the way, the Dave Douglas thing was *not* his last 'piece' for Jazz Times - it was a praise of pianist Eric Reed. That's a no-brainer - Eric is indeed a fine player. Perhaps he realized he had gone over the top and tried to tone down the rhetoric a notch or ten. But it was too late. I applaud Jazz Times for their decision. Life's too short to waste on people like Crouch. I have enough assholes of his ilk to deal with at work. Oops, here comes one now... Bertrand.

Do any of the critics quoted in the article not realize that it cost Jazz Times money to allow an entire page of their magazine to be devoted to Crouch's rantings? And if readers are turned off and cancel their subscription, it will cost them even more. The decision was striclty an economic one - when the dust settles, people will realize that publishing his crap is just not cost-effective. Sure, he has a right to say what he wants to say - it's a free country. But no for-profit enterprise is obliged to spend the money to publish it. It's his responsibility to find a venue for it. If a given outlet no longer chooses to serve as his mouthpiece, it's their right as well in a free country. What's next - it's my obligation to let Crouch hold court every Sunday afternoon in my living-room? I think not. By the way, a note to all critics: some of us don't actually need you to tell us what music we should like. That's what my ears and my brain are for. It's my responsibility as an educated consumer of jazz to do my research and go out and listen and decide for myself. Bertrand.