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PM sent on King Crimson - Absent Lovers Livein Montreal 1984 (2 cds on DGM) $11

ABEBooks is always a good place to check. I usually can do better there than on Amazon or Ebay for anything other than recently published high-volume books (where no one can touch Amazon for best price).

But it sure doesn't hurt the cause...

Was "Black Saint and Sinner Lady" a heavily edited album? Can't imagine it getting played verbatim as well as it comes off.

I stand corrected!

Wouldn't the edited solos have been a possible point of contention? Can't imagine Mingus being too pleased about that. @JSngry - Archie Bleyer started Cadence Records, Nat Hentoff (I believe) started Candid Records.

1 - he wasn't nearly that clever. Sweet but really dumb (sort of the polar opposite of Charles Mingus, I guess). 2 - I take it you're a dog person.

I used to have a pet cat in the 90's that I named Mingus. And ironically, he never reacted in any way to any other music I played, but was fascinated by the cricket sounds at the beginning of Cumbia and Jazz Fusion, and absolutely freaked out at the Tenor calls in Hog Callin' Blues.

"Haitian Fight Song" !!!

Understood on the Hawes trio album. Give him "The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady". I came to jazz from 60's/early-70's rock, but immediately fell in love with that one anyways, and it is still the ultimate Mingus album for me, even though as far removed from rock as can be.

Me too, but it would seem to fit the bill here just fine. And Mingus never made a boring album. Early Larry Coryell records would work also. I especially like 'Fairlyland', 'Barefoot Boy', and 'Offering'.

I'm getting "page not found" error from the link.

I got a sealed box set of the Archie Shepp Black Saint/Soul Note recordings from a huge Amazon reseller. It was empty inside the sealed box, no CD's. They gave me a refund, no questions asked.

They only had one monster hit for the label, and never made a good album, but this sure was one for the ages. And they made other good records on Verve (especially "Go Ahead and Cry"), but popular taste moved on.

Understood. For instance, I think these are brilliant and (in their own way) groundbreaking. albums, even though totally "commercial". And these are two exceedingly talented musicians. Not that many people could have made them.

Don't think either of them were actually huge sellers (chartwise they didn't do great - the Hardin's did not chart at all, though maybe as back catalog they had better shelf life. And I'm sure Hardin sold a tad better than, say, Gil Melle or Alan Shorter). The Zappa's did sell, and they had some sizeable one-shot wonder success with the Hombres, Friend and Lover, and Janis Ian (who also was later much more successful at Columbia, though her early Verve stuff is much more interesting). They missed out letting Laura Nyro and Rare Earth get away after their first albums, but didn't know how to produce either of them as well as Columbia and Motown, The Verve Folkways/Forecast labels impact goes well beyond their sales. The Blues Project, Richie Havens, Tim Harden, Paupers albums should have sold more than they did. The Paupers had a chance to be big, but stiffed at Monterey.

I just ordered one off abebooks, thanks for the reminder. I forgot this one existed.

Yes, that's a really good one, much better than I expected.

Final up with edits, about 130 gone, thanks all!

Lots of them I appreciate and own, but the Tolliver's and the McCoy Tyner, are my favorite, and the John Handy and Grachan Moncur are great.

Takes a lot more than a spelling mistake to offend people around here, but almost anything can bring out their/our sense of humor. We learn to just roll with it and have fun! to the list of excellent female musicians, I would add Nicole Mitchell (don't think I saw anyone else mention her). Love some of what I have heard by her.

Yeah, I bookmarked those as soon as I saw them. I already have the Foster and the Land on CD, though the Land is an ancient Sony CD, so I plan to upgrade.

There's another set of these coming on March 21, including Harold Land Damisi and Frank Foster The Lound Minority. http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/release/music/jazz-fusion/month/2018/03?periods=3

My bad, thanks.