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Another cool Boykins tune - from his only leader-date, on ESP (1975) "The Will Come, Is Now" (Ronnie Boykins) -- self-titled album (ESP, 1975) Sure sounds like the same tune to me... ...and your link (with all the question marks) has the added advantage of playing a LOT longer than any of the samples I was able to find. Thanks!

And some more Googing reveals that the actual name of the tune is (or may be)... "Home IN Africa" (not "is") -- according to two sources (both links go to Google cashed sources), here1, and here2, and here's a third: here3. ========== Also, I *think* THIS might be a modern remake (track 10). Not convinced (100%), but based on the 30-second sound-clip, it sure could be.

Just stumbled on this quote (from an Organissimo thread, no less), just searching Google on Parlan's and Boykins' names together (). I presume "Home is Africa" is the tune (how could it not be?).

Horace Parlan recorded this Boykins-penned tune on 2/15/63 for Blue Note -- w/ Johnny Coles, Booker Ervin, Grant Green, Butch Warren (not Boykins), and Billy Higgins -- which I believe was first issued in the 70's, under Ervin's name (not Parlan). What's the story on this tune? (Apologies if the answer's in my own copy of the Parlan Mosaic -- my copy of the liners are in a box buried under four other boxes). Did Ronnie Boykins ever record it? Are there any other versions extant? - of any sort (later remakes, or other contemporaneous versions).

Anybody have a good source for good, complete discographical info for this date? In particular, accurate composer credits? Any Herbie-penned tunes? Thanks in advance!

Like I said back in '06 (earlier in this thread), I really think I prefer my Steve Coleman with Dave Holland (but I understand they had some kind of falling out, iirc). That said, the Coleman/Holland duo album on DIW (iirc) is fantastic. All the energy of a full quintet album, and a number of times I've thought it sounded like two tracks were pulled out of the multi-track for an album by a much larger group. But really any of Holland's leader dates with Coleman are the bee's knees.

Hey, that's cheating! How was this cheating?

I used to have a couple of the Chambers dates as individual discs many years ago (mid 90's), but they were never my favorites - and I eventually ditched them (probably before the year 2000). But I recently picked up the Chambers Select a few months ago, and find I'm *really* enjoying it a lot more than I'd expected. Never was a fan of arco bass-solos back then, but they're kind of growing on me, though I'll admit, maybe as much for their novelty. But anything less than Chambers' level of arco playing, mind you, might as well be Ron Carter's cello playing (as far as I'm concerned), if you catch my drift.

I've mentioned it elsewhere here before -- but an acquaintance of mine from back in Kansas City is named "Naima" (her first name), for the Trane tune. I think she was born in the late 60's, maybe early, early 70's - thereabouts.

Mrs. Rooster just handed me today's print edition of the Washington Post - with a great obit of Cedar... I'll look for a link to the whole thing in a bit, but here, the entire 4th paragraph, I was right... "He appeared on more than 400 albums - including 60 as a leader - but somehow Mr. Walton remained something of an overlooked master, acknowledged by people in the jazz world but little known to the wider public."

Now THAT'S more like it. You watch, we'll get the list over 150, if not even a little closer to 200.

It's interesting how this article compresses his career after 1964 into one paragraph. Yes, but that paragraph definitely leads me to believe he's on well over 100 releases... Their count alone comes to at least 110 -- and I would have to think there are close to 30 or 40 more they're missing. Wild guess, mind you.

Is there really any one Bruckner symphony that is considerably better liked than all or most of the others? Which one is his Beethoven's 5th (or 9th, or 7th, or 3rd)?? Which one is his Dvorak's 9th (or 7th)?? It may be that since none of them really grabbed hold of me - I've never spent enough time with any one of them, enough to really get it in my ears.

I've never been able to completely wrap my ears around his symphonies -- try as I might over the years. To me, at least, they're all incredibly long and sprawling (and boring) -- and their impact on me is much the same as Mahler very early on (when I was in my 20's), before my "Mahler" light bulb went on (and I suddenly 'got it' - the trigger was singing/performing in the chorus of Mahler 8 - and suddenly all Mahler made sense). Which is to say that no similar Bruckner light bulb has ever gone on for me. BUT -- he has a String Quintet (standard quartet plus a second viola, as I recall), which I adore! -- and his choral motets are divine too (both to sing, and to listen to). Seem to recall a bit of other chamber music of his over the years that floated my boat considerably more than his orchestral efforts – which all leave me cold.

There's a little Monk-ish-ness to his playing (for lack of a better comparison), though really more in how he plays - than in the construction of his tunes. I also think there's some comparison with Shorter albums like "All Seeing Eye" - but agree not so much with all of Wayne's BN output.

Anyone want to hazard a guess as to how many albums/recordings he was on over the years? I'll take a really wild guess and say 250 or perhaps 300? (both totally wild guesses), but would love to know. OK, these two obits seem to think it's around 100 -- but that seems really low to me -- surely it's at least 150. Anyone beg to differ? http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2013/08/19/rip-cedar-walton and http://www.jazzwisemagazine.com/news-mainmenu-139/70-2013/12817-jazz-breaking-news-cedar-walton-1934-2013

Same song? Other than the need for a new singer, how is this the same?

I'm always amazed that spell-checks don't know that "Herbie" is a real word (name) that isn't misspelled.

Let ME be the first to say there can never be too many Andrew Hill threads!

Fascinating that Naxos and Verve are teaming up on something like this.

Really?? From that thread... So it looks to me like www.bluenoteeurope.com now just resolves to bluenote.com -- where I'm certainly not finding any BB functionality. So, then, are we the last man standing??

Amen. Rott's lone symphony is pure, 'primordial' Mahler.

Time to get with the future!!

Just Googling around (my search items: "legend" "wayne shorter" 1967), and now just what the heck is THIS about??!!! Note: you gotta put quotes around "legend" or else Google will match on other forms of the word, like legendary (and legends), perhaps others. Link: SOURCE, full article at link to the left, and the full relevant quote follows: Article Headline: Wayne Shorter: 'Happening,' and Meandering, a Burst at a Time NYT, Dec. 24th, 2004 Ben Ratliff Subhead: Exploring the World Coltrane wanted that, too, Mr. Shorter said, and recalled a conversation he had had with Coltrane's son Ravi: "Ravi told me that he wanted me to write something for him, for orchestra. Trane was still alive when I was with Miles, and we performed something at Monterey, a piece for 28 pieces called 'Legend.' It would have been natural for Trane to hear about that - he was always following what Miles was doing." Lately, Mr. Shorter has been looking at semi-retirement, which means less time spent on the road and more time thinking about composing music that will include only a little of his playing - "not all over the place, just where it counts." He has thought about revisiting "Legend" - Davis's nephew has found a tape of the concert - as well as a number of other orchestral projects. One is "Aurora Leigh," a composition he started when he was 18 and at N.Y.U. It is named after an Elizabeth Barrett Browning poem. He said he might take it to David Robertson, principal conductor of the St. Louis Symphony Orchestra, who wants to work with him. More recently he has begun writing original music for the soprano Renée Fleming. "When I listen to music, I'm not thinking about the workshop aspect of it," he said. " 'Oh, that sound goes good against that one.' Boring. But, you know Elgar, who wrote something about people that he knew, characters he knew? And each theme was antiphonal? You say, 'Describe this person in music,' and he'd do it, whether the person was rotund or skinny." (Mr. Shorter was describing the "Enigma Variations.") "I need to find out more about other people's cultures, with the time I have left," Mr. Shorter said, jumping over a conversational hedgerow. "Because when I'm writing something that sounds like my music - well, not my music, I don't possess music - but when they say, 'Wayne Shorter's playing those snake lines,' I should take that willingness to do that, that desire I have to do that, and extend it to the desire to find out more about what is not easy to follow, what is difficult to follow in someone else's life." ============ Miles' nephew found a tape of the concert?? - implying that it included Miles?? Is THIS (above) perhaps what you were thinking of, Bertrand?? And to which we all collectively say, WTF? - there's no mention of Miles in the Downbeat review. Which is it? And Monterery isn't anywhere the same as UCLA, is it? (I'm totally California ignorant - and don't have time to check at the moment.) There could still be something else about Legend in an early '67 Downbeat somewhere -- I was only looking at the concert reviews columns -- so if there was an "upcoming events" column, I wouldn't have seen it (even in the issues I looked through).