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I think some of it depends on how other people choose to interpret "pride in one's cultural background" when they see it, and to some degree it also depends on how that pride is expressed (certainly). My father-in-law is about 75% Swedish, and my wife is probably 40% to 50% Swedish too (can't remember the exact percentages of my mother-in-law's background, but she's a little bit Swedish too, maybe as much as 25%??) My father-in-law in particular, has quite a bit of pride in his cultural background, with a few "dala horses" around the house... My parents are both mostly German, and they have a fair amount of pride in their background too. (Of course they are 200% American when it comes to discussions about WWII, and take no pride in that part in German history.) I was adopted, so I have no idea what my exact "bio-cultural" background is, other than I know I'm a typical Euro-mutt of some sort. I take some pride in my parent's German heritage, but probably not any more than I take some pride in my wife's Swedish heritage. I guess I mean to say that I've seen all kinds of various 'while' European-Americans taking pride in their cultural backgrounds, in ways that don't necessarily say "We're better than everyone else". I think some of it depends on the kind of 'filter' people look at these cultural expressions through. I can choose to be 'put-off' by the notion of "Black Power", or I can choose to recognise that there are probably some logical reasons for how and why the notion of "Black Power" came to be an expression used in this country, both politically, culturally.

Just wanted to take a moment and thank everyone who has replied to this thread, for keeping the tone of it in the realm of "constructive ideas for change". Since I know lots of these kinds of discussions can easily devolve into finger pointing, where each side blames the other for the causes of racial problems, I sincerely want to say "thanks" for helping to have a reasonable discussion. And to those of you who haven't replied yet, I want to further invite you into the conversation. You don't have to have all the answers, or any of the answers for that matter. Just your observations and thoughts on the topic are more than welcome. Thanks!!! -- Rooster T.

There are tapes of Ornette jamming with the Dead, from when Prime Time opened for the dead in I think around '88 or so. I used to have a couple of them (may still, buried in boxes, haven't heard them in years). Anybody else heard these??? Pretty interesting to hear Ornette in a more conventional context. I seem to remember him playing in a typical Dead "space jam" kinda thing, but also on one or two more 'normal' songs.

OK, regardless of the content of the picture, I think that images in signatures are a pain in the ass. I don't care for this one, sure, but I didn't care for the pac-man one either. Somebody said it up above, that Avatar's should provide more than enough repetitive graphical content for anyone's needs. BERIGAN, if you like that picture that we're voting on so much, make it your Avatar. Or better yet, I wish the board moderators could disable graphics from signatures. IMHO...

Reminds me, I've occasionally wondered what atonal country music might sound like!!!??????

Anybody heard this CD before?? Jimmy Woods is on it. Here's The AMG review... "Back to Avalon" (recorded in 1960, not released until 1995):

See the recent Teddy Edwards (R.I.P.) thread for discussion of an obscure album that Jimmy Woods was on as a sideman...

Conan's 'Late Night' Breaks the Mold published 02:01 PM - MAY 09, 2003 Eastern Time Here's the dirt on Conan O'Brien: His show has been remodeled in clay. In the grand tradition of "Celebrity Deathmatch" and "Wallace and Gromit," NBC's "Late Night With Conan O'Brien" has been transformed into clay animation for an episode that will air Thursday night (May 15th, 2003). "This may be the best show we've ever done," O'Brien declared Friday _ "in clay." The episode, in production for months, is a clay recreation of a "Late Night" hour that aired in its original, live-action version last October _ including the show's opening, monologue and even lead-ins to commercials. Guests on the episode (which airs Friday at 12:35 a.m. EDT) are "Jackass" star Johnny Knoxville, comedian Richard Lewis and musical guest David Bowie. In addition, Mr. T appears in a sketch. ___ On the Net: NBC Web site: http://www.nbc.com

Great question!!! There's already a fairly long Jimmy Woods thread here (on this very board)... Jimmy Woods - CONFLICT, first U.S. CD release, w/ bonus tracks!! I'll bump it up so it get's into "Todays postings" too... (I figure we might want to add to that thread, rather than start another Jimmy Woods thread.... )

I voted for ETCETERA, but from this particular set of 10 conns, BASRA would be a close second for me.

So it isn't just me. What do other people see????

Just found this article from the Kansas City Star, about (of all things) Kansas City... Posted on Fri, Apr. 26, 2002 KC is perfect example of segregated city, Harmony Week speakers say By KEVIN HOFFMANN The Kansas City Star Kansas City's mostly white suburbs and mostly black inner city epitomize the fragmentation of races that many cities in the nation face, a panel of experts on race relations said Thursday. Hundreds attended the Harmony Week luncheon at Crown Center to listen to a panel discussion on issues such as race, class, education, urban vitality and sprawl. The luncheon served as the centerpiece in a weeklong celebration of Kansas City Harmony, an organization that works to build better relations among racial and ethnic groups and ensure equality in the workplace. The panel consisted of John A. Powell, a civil rights law professor at the University of Minnesota; Philip Olson, director of urban affairs at the University of Missouri-Kansas City; and Janet Murguia, executive vice chancellor for university relations at the University of Kansas. All are authorities on civil rights issues. Powell opened the discussion with a quote to remind the audience of the importance of dialogue in uniting people of different ethnic and racial backgrounds. "If we were all the same, we wouldn't need dialogue," he said. "And if we were all different in every way, dialogue wouldn't be possible." To show how Kansas City resembles a case study of the nation's segregated cities, Olson told the audience that in 1880, Kansas City had six voting precincts, each with a black population of at least 15 percent. "That is a far cry from today," Olson said, pointing to the most recent census data showing that 90 percent of Kansas City's black residents live south of the Missouri River between Troost Avenue and Interstate 435. Civic and business leaders need to find ways to break up that fragmentation, the panelists said, if Kansas City and other cities want to avoid the types of racism that still plague the country today. Powell suggested solutions such as one tried in Maryland. There, government officials agreed that they would not allow any development in areas without existing infrastructure. As a result, Powell said, Maryland has seen many successful redevelopment efforts in urban areas. But education and economic opportunities ultimately play key roles in making a region such as Kansas City whole, the panelists said. Murguia said that ethnic groups such as Hispanics tend to migrate to areas where jobs are plentiful, often low-paying jobs. "A lot of times, tied to those low-paying jobs are lower expectations from our young people," she said. "We need to make sure we don't get our young people stuck in that track and that there is no reason they can't go onto higher education and professional jobs." Murguia used herself as an example. She grew up in the Argentine neighborhood of Kansas City, Kan., with six siblings and a father who was a steelworker and a mother who never worked outside the home. Most of her siblings now are lawyers, and Murguia has held several jobs in the political arena, including working as a deputy assistant to former President Bill Clinton.

I can see A.B.'s attached image just fine, looks like the gargoil/bat thing, and animates just fine. Both IMG's in my original post still look like the "Image Hosted by..." thing...

FYI, now that I've actually created the thread, I can NOT see the first IMG above. Both IMG's look the same, i.e. "Image Hosted by..."

Berigan, still can't see your Avatar. It still says "Image Hosted by tripod www.tripod.com". Funny thing, though, is that I can right-click on your Avatar (the one I can't see), and can get the URL for it, which is.... http://members.tripod.com/~Anne_F/fungarg.gif And then I can past that address into my brouser, hit 'return', and I can see it!! Looks like a gargoil/bat kinda thing, with wings and green eyes, and a tail. Yes, it's animated. Hmmm... Wonder if I can post that picture as an IMG... Yup, I can see it when I post it as an IMG, and bring up the thread. (Or least it worked when I did 'preview post'.) Not important, but I'm guessing you're tired me me mucking up your other threads periodically about this. ========== HMMMMMMMMM......... Now THAT's interesting.... I just clicked on the link above (where I spelled out the URL of your Avatar), and a new window popped up with the "Image Hosted by tripod www.tripod.com" image, which looks like this.... http://members.tripod.com/adm/interstitial/remote.gif Does that give any clues??? ========= Now that's even more interesting - cuz when I did another 'preview post', now the Avatar image (the first IMG above) doesn't show, and I can only see the "Image Hosted by..." thing again.... Now I'm even more confused....

Glad you liked it, perhaps others did as well. By the way, of the works listed above, I think these are the ones that I own recordings of. The best ones (IMHO), are the Ives, Toch(!), Barber, Sessions(!), Rouse, and Schuller works... 1944: Howard Hanson (1896-1981). Symphony no. 4, op. 34. 1945: Aaron Copland (1900-1990). Appalachian Spring. 1947: Charles Ives (1874-1954). Symphony no. 3. 1948: Walter Piston (1894-1976). Symphony no. 3 1956: Ernst Toch (1887-1964). Symphony no. 3. 1961: Walter Piston (1894-1976). Symphony no. 7. 1963: Samuel Barber (1910-1981). Piano Concerto no. 1, op. 38. 1969: Karel Husa (b. 1921). String Quartet no. 3. 1982: Roger Sessions (1896-1985). Concerto for Orchestra. 1983: Ellen Zwilich (b. 1939). Three Movements for Orchestra. (Symphony no. 1.) 1993: Christopher Rouse (b. 1949). Trombone Concerto. 1994: Gunther Schuller (b. 1925). Of Reminiscences and Reflections.

Just found these stories that ran on the News Hour with Jim Lehrer (at pbs.org), and with the more recent ones, you can listen to them (RealAudio) if you'd rather not read the whole thing online. Go to the links below to read (or in some cases, listen or watch) them... August 17, 2001: Growing Apart - Gwen Ifill investigates the trend of increasing segregation in American schools and society. July 11, 2000: Race in America - A discussion about a six-week New York Times series examining the role of race in the lives of everyday people. March 2, 1998: A Nation Divided - Is America fragmenting into separate and unequal societies? Jan. 15, 1996: Reflecting On Race - On the day remembering Martin Luther King Jr.'s birth, Charlayne Hunter-Gault talks to Benjamin DeMott. His most recent book is The Trouble with Friendship: Why Americans Can't Think Straight about Race. Dec. 25, 1995: Open Thinking - Charlayne Hunter-Gault talks to psychiatrist James Comer of Yale University, the author of several books on race relations. Nov. 23, 1995: Reflections On Race - A reunion of former North Florida University students who had taken a unique psychology class on race relations in the early 1970's. (This one looks particularly interesting.) I certainly haven't had a chance to listen to all of these yet, but I'm posting them here as much for myself as anyone else, for future followup. -- Rooster T. By The way, here is the complete list of "Race Relations - Background Reports" from the PBS News Hour web-site.

Check out this page: click here There are sound samples too!!!!! Here's the whole site: Frank's Vinyl Museum Lot's of wacky albums to see and sample. It's not entirely clear (or at least it wasn't to me), but the motorcycle icons near the bottom of the page let you go from page to page through the list of albums.

I'll happily add another recomendation for "Yo Miles!", which I think is really outstanding (most all of it, but all of Wadada Leo Smith's playing, especially!!), and, as someone said above, it is a ton of fun too. And actually, I honestly think some of it is nearly as good as the real thing - as good as Miles in the 70's. Ok, not as impressive, because it's an homage to a style that exists now, but didn't exist when Miles was doing it. But, just on musical terms, I really do think "Yo Miles!" is probably the best of the several 70's Miles tributes that seem to be cropping up these days. Sure it's long-winded, but wasn't Miles long-winded in the 70's too??? ( The combined time of the two discs of "Yo Miles!" is nearly 2 hours and 40 minutes long, so it could have possibly done with some editing here and there. BUT, I haven't heard a live Miles record from the 70's that I couldn't have said the very same thing about. ) In short, by all means get it!!!

Does anybody have a complete list of the BN titles in this most recent "Time Life" series?? Meaning the series with the "blue and orange" versions of the classic covers?? (There could be a title or two worth picking up, if they could be had much cheaper than their Japanese counterparts.)

A precursor to Organissimo???

One other thing I've thought about doing (while I'm still job hunting), is some sort of regular volunteer work at the "American Jazz Museum", which is here in Kansas City, located at the corner of 18th & Vine, in the historic neighborhood where all the clubs were that Charlie Parker played in, and Basie, and dozens of other bands from Kansas City Jazz's hey-day. That neighborhood, back then and even now, is 95% Black, and I think 80%-95% of the employees at the museum are Black. (The "Negro Leagues Baseball Museum" is in the same complex.) I figure that it could be an interesting experience, and would put me in the position of being the minority for a change. ( Guess this topic's gonna always be slow... )