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yeah, I guess, all in all, for the most part, it's a pretty "OK" board... I try to lurk here - - but maybe sometimes I end up posting a little more often than I intend to.

Perhaps, in certain specific instances (including, apparently, some places you've worked, or at least where you're working now), but I do not believe this is widespead. At least I've not seen this in any of my 10 years in the workforce. It would depend on what you mean by 'extra benefits' and 'aid', in terms of what the manager at your (current?) sales job would offer you, if you were Black. Could you explain a bit more?? What kinds of "benefits" and "aid"?? You say "professionally, [being black] would be a tremendous boost!". I don't question this statement entirely, but I'd have to know a bit more about where you work to even begin to understand it. Ain't nothin' like I've ever heard of. PS: Does this mean I can't possibly invision a situation where Blacks get preferential treatment over whites?? No, I'm sure that does happen, in some cases. But widespread preferential treatment of Blacks over whites?? - personally, I doubt it.

There was some talk back on the BNBB about BN re-releasing the complete Dex BN set, using the exact same masters, in some sort of "less-expensive-to-produce" packaging. Think "Complete Herbie Nichols" or "Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse" type packaging, or maybe something similar to the recent 4CD "Grant Green" and "Horace Silver" retrospectives. (In any case, something that will have CD's in jewel-boxes of some sort.) Nothing is at all definite (far from it, from what I remember), but if if it were ever re-released again, that's what we'd probably see. No sonic upgrade, just a straight release of the same material. (I don't own the Dex box, and would greatly prefer the proposed "simpler" packaging, over those fold-out-long-box things, which I don't care for much at all.)

I have mixed feelings, both pro and con, about Affirmative Action. Noj, I think your point about financial background (which really means "class", in some sense) has some potential worth exploring. And, in many ways, I think some kinds of racism are driven as much (or more) by "class"-predjudice, as much as actual "race"-predjudice. Or, I guess another way of saying it is this: I think there would be (perhaps) less racism in this country if all races were equally represented across all economic levels. There would still be "class"-ism, sure, and there will always be people who don't like people of different races simply because they're different, and often represent some sort of threat (real, or imagined). But, I think quite a few (white) people dislike minorities, simply because in their city or part of the country, most or nearly all of the minorities they encounter, belong to a lower class than they do.

OK, I've read about this 100 times, but never can remember the details. (I've never owned "Iron City", or I'm sure I'd have a better handle on this.) Isn't it really Larry Young on all (or at least part) of Iron City??? By the way, this is as good/bad a place as any to ask - what do people think of Iron City?? I've been tempted to track it down a time or two, but never have made the effort to, least not yet anyway. Should I???

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I don't think this was ever released as a Rare Groove title (nor has it ever been released on CD in the U.S., as far as I know), but I've always wondered about Lonnie Smith's "Turnin' Point". What with Lee Morgan, Bennie Maupin, Julian Priester, Melvin Sparks, and Idris Muhammad - it's gotta be a monster, yes??? No??? How is it compared to "Think!". (And, wouldn't it be a highly logical release for the Rare Groove series here in the U.S.???) I know it's been released on CD in Japan, but I've always been outbid for it on eBay. I see that it's also now in that new Spanish Blue Note series (talked about in another thread), the one with the goofy blue and orange covers.... At least in this case, the cover doesn't change all that much.

Thanks, Chuck, for sharing your thoughts on this topic - I appreciate it. And do feel free to ramble away!!

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Sounds like a great title for an album, although probably not a jazz album.

That's a darn good price on the McIntyre set. (I don't love it enough to have paid full price for it when it came out, but I found one used for $16 or so, and felt it was worth picking up for that price.) NOTE: There were/are a few other slightly rare BN titles, at that same McIntyre link provided above. I won't list them here, but they're all listed right on the first page that the link points to, album covers and everything. Check it out!!!

Also, not on any time-limit, there are a couple good Andrew Hill 'audio' things here too... http://www.andrewhilljazz.com/index2.html First, go to the "mp3's" link, on the left side of the page, for a 5-part (hour-long total) solo piano performance from Hill, recorded sometime in 2000 or 2001 (in London). And, there's a 3-part (hour-long) on-line BBC documentary on Hill, with a couple vinyl-only tunes and lots of great interviews, click the "press" link on the left side of the main page. Enjoy!!

Up... Set your VCR's, or catch it the next day on Comedy Central (presumably).

I'll confess, I'm still sitting on a band new, still sealed, extra TOCJ CD of Tyrone Washington's "Natural Essence". Not sure what it'll take for me to try to sell it, or trade it (more likely trade), but I've got it. I used to have an extra Lee Morgan "Procrastinator" TOCJ too, for about 6 months, but I was incredibly nice and outright gave it to a friend of mine. Then again, a couple years before, this same friend gave me one of those $60 Blue Note watches that BN was selling back in the early-to-mid 90's. It wasn't that he and I were really close friends, or that he really owed me anything - it was just that he never, ever wore a watch - and being a utilitarian sort of guy, he felt better about it belonging to someone who did wear watches. I kinda figured I owed him one... Anybody sitting on any extra Mosaic sets?? I’ve thought about buying duplicates once or twice, but I’ve never had the cash at the time to do it. Of course, now, we all wish we had gotten extra Larry Young sets, and extra Andrew Hill sets, and - well, you get the picture. What "speculative" buying do you do?? (if any) Hey Dmitry, you still got that sealed 'Nat King Cole' Mosaic, that you found in a store last year, under half-an-inch of dust, for like $150??? It's still sealed, I hope, right??

RT, that's exactly why Patton is so good. "Groove" plus "out" = "pure joy"... See also....

Oh, that's what those unspecific "medical reasons" were.

"Boogaloo" is like a terminally groovy version of Larry Young's more 'out' dates. It's the closest Patton ever got to Larry Young's more progressive vision. Maybe I should be more careful when I talk it up so much --- it's not the "end all and be all" of all groovy music, and I don't want to set people's expectations too high. But I sure as hell like it!!!!!

You gotta get John Patton's "Boogaloo". It's a little 'out' at times, but it never looses the groove. It's my all-time favorite Patton release, period. Hard to believe it sat in the vaults, unreleased, until 1995. By the way, Bill, let me extend an offical welcome to you!! - and a hope that you'll stick around and post a bunch here. For me, the vibe here is all of the best things I liked about the old BNBB. B) B) B) Also, here's a couple generic searches for Patton's "Boogaloo"... eBay search for "john patton boogaloo" and half.com search for "john patton boogaloo" Damn, neither search has a hit now, but check back later. I think it's the best Rare Groove ever!!

Hey, impossible, You talkin' about the disc under Walt Dickerson's name from 1978, called "Visions"??? - on Steeplechase?? I didn't think that was all that rare. I've got one (or at least I had one at one time). If I can find it (meaning if I didn't trade it off), I'll give it a spin, and see if it's something I still think I need. It was quite nice, what I remember of it - but I suspect it's not something I'll spin enough to merit keeping. (Like I said, I can't remember if I still have it or not.) This was the only Dickerson/Ra duets disc I could think of, since "Impressions of a Patch of Blue" has bass and drums too.

Since I was adopted, and since I don't know anything about my biological parents (nothing at all), I've occasionally wondered if I had any African American blood in me. If it did, it would have to be a very, very, tiny, tiny, tiny bit - cuz I look as typically 'white' as anyone I know. But even if I don't have any Black blood in me, I do know that my biological parents never married (my 'mother' was an unwed teenage mother), and so the odds are very good that one or both of them has since gone on and gotten married, and probably had one or more children. AND, it's not beyond all possibility that one of them married someone who was Black, and had one or more bi-racial children. Which means that I could have a half-brother who's half a 'Brother'!!!

Oh, and since I couldn't include larger text in the 'topic description', let me restate the obvious... OUCH!!!!!!!!!!

OK, enough other people have posted, such that I can weigh in now without spoiling the jury pool. If you know and like Woody Shaw's work in the late 60's and early 70's, you should like Charles Tolliver. I find them to be very similar, generally speaking. Tolliver is kinda my #1 pet "obscure" jazz artist, so I'm fond of saying I like him best. But truth be told, I probably like Woody Shaw a touch better. Still, many of Tolliver's tunes are really great (IMHO), and Tolliver has lots and lots of great ideas in his playing. As to what to call it?? The once and famous BNBB legend Aric said it best, I think about Lee Morgan, "Live at the Lighthouse"... "It's the future of Hard Bop, as we now know it today", or words to that effect. (Or was it "it's what happened to Hard Bop, after Hard Bop"?? --- anyway, something like that....) I tend to fumble around , and call it "progressive hard bop" (like that's a label that everyone knows), but if you have any of Woody Shaw's early 70's albums, then you know what I'm talking about. By the way, if you can filter out the Dusty Goove 'universally positive spin' fluff, all of the descriptions of Tolliver's albums are still fairly useful. (See the "Dusty Goove" search/link I provided in my post up above.)

( The 'topic description' was supposed to read "Holy fucking OUCH!!!!!!!!!!, Batman". ) Tongue splitting latest piercing rage (CNN) Wednesday, May 14, 2003 Posted: 0543 GMT ( 1:43 PM HKT) James Keen got his tongue split in December by a piercer who used a scalpel heated by a blowtorch. CHICAGO, Illinois (AP) -- Ears with two, three, even five piercings are ancient history. Studs in tongues and navels are, for many, no big deal. And who doesn't have a tattoo? These days, the attention-grabbing look is tongue-splitting: cutting the tongue to make it forked. Some say the practice, still relatively uncommon but edging up in popularity, is nothing short of mutilation. Lawmakers in Illinois are considering regulations that would all but outlaw it. And earlier this year, several branches of the armed services banned tongue-splitting. Officials at Seymour Johnson Air Force Base in North Carolina say one airman had the tissue in his split tongue reopened and sewn back together in February to avoid being kicked out of the service. Those who've had their tongues split call it a body modification, and see it as an enhancement. A few do it for shock value. Others describe the experience as spiritual. And many say they simply like how it looks and feels. "When I first saw it, I thought tongue-splitting was the most beautiful thing I've seen in my life," says James Keen, a 19-year-old from Scottsville, Kentucky, who got his tongue cut by a local body piercer in December after a surgeon declined to do it. Keen, who now speaks with a slight lisp, says most people don't know he's had it done unless he shows them. When he does, he demonstrates how both forks of his tongue can move independently. And it's a plus, he says, when it comes to kissing. "People are very curious about how it feels," says Keen, whose parents gave him their blessing -- and the $500 it took to do it. He says the cutting was done in three sessions with a scalpel heated by a blow torch and no anesthetic. Keen's story is exactly what Illinois state Rep. David Miller, who's also a dentist, had in mind when he authored a bill requiring that tongue-splitting be done by a doctor or dentist, and only for medical reasons. The bill passed nearly unanimously in the Illinois House and is awaiting a vote in the Senate. Last summer, state lawmakers in Michigan narrowly defeated a similar bill. "Ultimately, it came down to an individual rights issue," says Tom Kochheiser, a spokesman for the Michigan Dental Association, which supported but did not introduce that state's unsuccessful measure. He says the association has no plans to pursue the issue further. Miller, a Democrat from Chicago's south suburbs, says he understands the notion of personal freedom. "But I'm not sure the people getting this done understand the risks," he says. "We're choosing safety over cosmetics." One of the main worries, Miller says, is risk of infection from bacteria in the mouth. He also says a person's speech could be affected by scar tissue and the splitting itself. Essie Hakim, a 30-year-old New Yorker who had her tongue split by a surgeon in 1998, says she did have to learn how to speak again. But she enjoyed the process, and says she knew what she was getting into. "I'm an adult making a decision that's not harming anybody. And I'm not harming me," says Hakim, who believes piercing and tongue-splitting are no different than plastic surgery. Beauty, she says, is simply in the eye of the beholder. "People get breast implants. People do body building," Hakim says. "People do so many things that are never questioned." She and others believe the Illinois bill, if it passes, will actually do more harm by making it difficult for the most qualified people -- doctors -- to do the procedure. Shannon Larratt, a 29-year-old Canadian who had his tongue split by a surgeon, worries that many people will simply go to "underground" parlors to have it done in unsafe conditions. "It means only the hacks will be left doing it," says Larratt, editor of the Body Modification E-zine, a Web site he publishes from a farm in rural Ontario. While Larratt estimates that only about 2,000 people in the Western world have split tongues, that's "almost commonplace, as heavy 'mods' go," he says, using the abbreviated term for body modification. And curiosity about having it done is growing, says Scott Jania, a senior piercer at Progressive Piercing in Chicago. Jania says he now gets seven to 10 inquiries a week from customers who want to know if he'll split their tongues. But, afraid he'll hurt someone or get in trouble with city regulators, he turns them down flat. Says Jania: "My career is far too important to risk it."

Good choice. Happens to be the only Byrd and/or Diz disc I own ( ). I've got a ton of respect for both of them (and hold them both in very high reguard), but I just don't have the ears for very much 50's or 40's jazz. I know, I know - it's my loss. And I am starting to get some more late 50's material, slowly. Anyway, I'm glad I'll be able to give this one a spin, and chime in with my thoughts...

Question: Are either of Charles Tolliver's or Stanley Cowell's Black Lion dates in this list of remastered titles??? (4 total, 2 each.)