Rooster_Ties

Thanks b3-er, love your take on all this. Yet another reason to love this place!!

Come on, Musicboy, we know you're here. How's about you come out, call a truce, and then you leave our board alone, and we'll leave your board alone. And hell, we're already leaving your board alone, cuz we're too busy responding to your threats (here on our board), and your "holier-than-thou" attitude.

I agree, about slavery not being that long ago. When I was younger (up through my mid-20's, so up until about 10 years ago), I had trouble understanding how anything prior to lives of my grandparents could possibly have any impact on people today. But, as I got older, I began to appreciate the subtle "ripple effect" that history has. Big events early in the 20th century, and even in the 19th century, can have big influences through the telling and retelling of stories between the generations. I think this could be particularly strong in subcultures where there is a stronger 'oral tradition' of story-telling, and (from what I know) I think African Americans would fit in this catagory. If one's history isn't being told in the schools, or in the main daily newspapers of record - then I think story-telling tends to pick up some of the slack, so to speak. Thankfully newspapers and magizines are beginning to change (they've changed quite a lot, actualy, while at the same time I think they still have a ways to go). History books are a more complicated point for discussion. Such a difficult thing (honestly) to be more inclusive of others, without being at the expense of other information. And, I fear, the end result is often a much more watered down version of history, at the expense of all sides.

Yeah, that's good (and I'm glad to see that Musicboy is checking up on us), but what we need is Neon to read this thread.

I saw that too, and had nearly the same thought.

I've always been curious to hear that Mosaic Parker set. I don't have much Parker at all, but I'm just curious to hear some of it (the Mosaic), knowing how those recordings came to be.

Hey, Conn500 - if you just saw this thread, have you see this thread??? Could this be the fate of the new BNBB?, Holy smokes Be sure to read, or at least skim all of it. Musicboy's posts are the best/worst.

Like it or not, it does escalate the issue. I'm guessing it'll all turn out OK, in the end --- but I'm also guessing it's already way more of a headache for our board hosts than they ever could have imagined when they started this thing we all now call 'home'.

Dan, could you post (here in this thread) the text of the e-mail you send to Norah's management?? I think it would be good to post it, so that it is public knowledge, and so everyone can attest to the way in which you handled your complaint about Musicboy. I'm not suggesting you handled it in anything other than a 'professional' manner, but it would be good for all of us to know that, firsthand. (Or, at the very least send a copy to b3-er, since I definitely think he has a right to see the message.) Jim is right about one thing, that there are other serious issues at stake in this too, namely the band Organissimo's reputation. I don't think we've done anything to warrent Musicboy's threats, and there's been no Norah bashing of any substance, either here or on their board. (So we should be able to hold our head's high.) Still, we should keep all this in mind if and/or when we try to represent the board to any outside parties. (And hey Dan, if Norah's management responds favorably - could you direct them to the audio-samples of Organissimo?? Never know, it couldn't hurt!!!)

For the record, here is the hideous post that Ed made, that got us all into this mess.... Really, Ed, what the hell were you thinking!!!!???????????? Now, because of you (and the care and concern Musicboy has for all of humanity), Organissimo is probably never gonna get another gig again, and be totally blacklisted forever. They're probably even gonna have to leave the country just to find work. Three lives shattered, all because you [sissy-voice]wanted to know Norah's favorite color[/sissy-voice]. (Hey, on the positive side --- Organissimo, now you guys qualify for you're very own "Behind The Music" special on VH1!!!! ) Does anybody else think this whole thing ought to be made into some sort of "South Park" episode???

For the record, here is the hideous post that Ed made, that got us all into this mess.... Really, Ed, what the hell were you thinking!!!!???????????? Now, because of you (and the care and concern Musicboy has for all of humanity), Organissimo is probably never gonna get another gig again, and be totally blacklisted forever. They're probably even gonna have to leave the country just to find work. Three lives shattered, all because you [sissy-voice]wanted to know Norah's favorite color[/sissy-voice]. (Hey, on the positive side --- Organissimo, now you guys qualify for you're very own "Behind The Music" special on VH1!!!! ) Does anybody else think this whole thing ought to be made into some sort of "South Park" episode???

Your actions and threats on this board are 1,000 times more like an "attack" than anything anyone here has ever done on your board.

If you hadn't, somebody else would have. Also, I don't think any of us here has ever posted anything even remotely 'hateful' on their board. Wish the same could be said of their actions here (more specifically, Musicboy's actions).

Also, Neon!!!, please see this thread ("Is it over? We'll see...") that Musicboy started here, telling us to all be on our best behavior (presumably here on our board, as well as on yours), cuz he'll be watching. Personally, if I were you, I'd bust your board-mod Musicboy back down to being a regular member on your board. Not telling you what to do, it's your board, do what you like. But he's really stirring the hornets' nest here 1,000 times more than anything any of us are doing, and we've all long stopped posting on your board. I mean did any of us post anything even 1/10th as vile on your board, as Musicboy has on our board???

With all due respect, Musicboy, a few of us have had a tiny bit of harmless fun on your board (and I mean really harmless). You come over here, and start throwing threats around all over the place. No one here asked you to take it upon yourself to moderate the Organissimo board. And yet, that appears to be what you'd like to do, one way or another. A few four-letter words, and suddenly we're all Internet pornographers (or at least potential pornographers). If you want to take on the entire Internet, and try to rid it of dirty words (or at least put 'warning signs' up everywhere where somebody cusses now and then), then I hope you live a long life. You've got lots of work to do.... ----- Hey Neon!!! - you wanna put a muzzle on your pit bull, meaning Musicboy. He's undoing all the damage control that you did a pretty decent job of doing in your post up above. Thank you. If not, perhaps it might be productive for one of us to post some of Musicboy's rantings (from this thread) on your board, as an example of his supposedly "Christian" behavior. Pretty disgusting behavior, and far, far worse than anything any of us ever did on your board. This is getting really ugly (mostly on Musicboy's part), and I sincerely think we are the ones who are due some sort of apology, if not from Musicboy directly, then from you Neon, for the actions (and threats!!!) of not just anyone on your board, but by one of your own board moderators. No one here did anything on your board that even remotely warrants this kind of behavior. I believe that several of us here are genuinely offended more than anyone on your board could have possible been by what few little 'funny' posts we put on your board. I don't offend easily, and part of me does realize how ridiculous this all is - but all kidding aside, I do think Musicboy has gone WAY overboard. The easy thing for us to do would be to simply ban him from our board, and delete his posts. But we believe in a free exchange of ideas - something that Musicboy clearly does not believe in.

Never have we (collectively) been accused of so much, and done so little to deserve it. This is hilarious!!!!! Hey, Musicboy, care to defend why my first posting to your Norah board was deleted??? Here's a link (your other board, who calls himself Neon here, restored it later, see above). Here's that link: http://www.norahjones.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1132 Seem like I posted a reasonably valid post that was in no way offensive, or anti-Norah. Seems also like I was censored simply because I was also a board member over here at Organissimo. I think you see evil behind every door, unless and until proven otherwise. Neon, your other Norah Board mod had actually gone a long way to cooling things off, but you and your accusitory language just heats it all back up again. Was I being an "ignorant trouble maker" when my first post on your board got nuked?? Sheesh....

FYI, last night I posted a half-a-dozen times to the Norah 'bored', and they were all the most bland, boring, non-offensive posts that this self-acclaimed "real elitist (psuedo-intellectual) trouble maker" could muster... I figured that I'd just keep posting stuff like this, until I got banned (or to see if my posts kept getting deleted), or until their board-mod backed off from considering us the evil, vile vermin that he cast us to be in his original e-mail to b3-er. Geez, how crazy was that??? Hey Neon!!! - Collectively, how much 'trouble' did we really cause??? Judging from the examples I've seen here, and the few posts I found from our guys over on your board, I think our 'little fun' at your board's expense was pretty damn harmless. No vulgarity, minimal Norah bashing (and when done so, it was couched in incredibly subtle ways). And for that, (initially) it appears you feared the absolute worst.

And thank you, Christiern, for posting in this thread - and espcially for such an interesting story. This thread is probably going nearly as well as I could have ever hoped -- which is to say that I think it is going pretty well. No easy answers (and I never thought there would be), but I'm really enjoying such an honest exchange of ideas, without all the fighting we usually find in many of the political threads. Thanks!! -- Rooster T.

How about Lee Morgan on a Joe Henderson album in about 1971??

http://www.norahjones.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1132 They really do run a tight ship over there... Amazing... I posted this (was at the link above) in the "What We'd Like Norah To Cover" forum, and it got nuked in less than 15 minutes... I registered under the name "Rooster_Ties", and the "orgainissimo" bit was in my signature, and I set up an Avatar that was an image of the cover of "Blue Train". Notice, the content of my message was as pure as the driven snow...

I saw the newly restored Metropolis on the big screen (here in Kansas City) back in January on this year. I can't say enough good things about it. I had seen Metropolis before, a couple times actually, but only in earlier "chopped up" versions, that clocked in with nearly 1/3rd of the original footage missing or cut-out. I always loved Metropolis, but seeing this newly restored print cleared up lingering questions about the plot-line that I never understood before (and with good reason, if that much of the movie was missing). Run, don't walk, to TCM - or rent it. "Must see" viewing, IMHO...

Excellent...

Yup, that's me!!!!!!!!

If I had an extra, it'd already have your name on it...

I'm fairly neutral about Van. He's OK, and I have a fairly high level of respect for him. But he also isn't my cup of tea either. Still, I can imagine Van Morrison on BN more easily than I can Wynton.