Rooster_Ties

Wow, judging from the threads and posts I've just glaced at, for only like the last 15 minutes, Norah's primary fan base must skew REALLY female, and REALLY young, like high-school and college age. And housewives too, seemingly of the young variety. Like this NorahBB thread: Soo, I was wondering what you all do for a living...

A telling thread on the 'new BNBB'...

As many others did (or at least as many as any other Shorter disc), I voted for "Etcetera", and I also voted it as my all-time-favorite Conn title (in the "list your top-5 Conns thread). Amazing to think "Etcetera" sat in the vaults for a number of years. In many ways, it seems a more easy 'sell' than "All Seeing Eye", and certainly Wayne's last three BN albums (the ones without piano). How "Etcetera" got left in the vaults is beyond me. Three cheers for "Etcetera"!!!!!

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Tones on Tail: Night Music - and most importantly...

Guilty as charged. Actually, I go back and forth between being obsessed about jazz in the 60's, and more interested in recent stuff. Then this board first opened up, I happened to be in a strong BN-60's phase, but I find myself (lately) being interested in going back to recordings from the 80's and 90's, which I own but often overlook. I'll start some non-"60's jazz" threads over the next couple weeks, and see if that helps any.

I'd love to hear/have the early concert (I think from 1973) from this box, but the rest is more 80's Miles than I really need. There was a time, when I was back in college when I was still a rabid Miles fan ('90-'92) --- that I bought every videotape concert of Miles that I could find (there were some ads in the back of Goldmine, and one guy had a couple hundred jazz videos that he was selling copies of for $20 a pop). There wasn't much Miles on video from the 60's and 70's, so I started getting tapes of Miles in the 80's. Somewhere (buried in a box) I probably have video tapes with just as much live 80's Miles as this box set has, maybe more. Same degree of tune repitition. Every concert seemed to have a "Time After Time" and "Human Nature". There's a concert from Poland in about '88, two compete shows (afternoon and evening), 160 minutes total, and he plays "TAT" and "HN" twice, each!!!! - meaning each one once on each concert. (I know, the music wasn't ever meant to be released that way.) It's not bad music (or at least not entirely), but my tastes have gone different directions since then. I've got that one live Miles disc (the legit one on Warner Bros, "Live Around The World" I think it's called), and that's enough live Miles in 80's for me. ( Maybe, just maybe, would I consider buying it if I could get one used for $100, but even then - I'd think twice about it, and probably spend the $100 on other stuff. )

No, afraid I've never heard that earlier live Cure album. I own nearly everything they recorded after (and including) "Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me (1987)", but my Cure collection is hit and miss before that.

I was on a big Rooster necktie buying spree (on eBay) when I first discovered the BNBB, and so when I had to pick a handle, that came to mind. I never intended to keep it that for long, it was just a temporary name I picked until I could think of something better. Then, somehow, the name stuck. When I register at other boards, I've always used the same "Rooster Ties" handle, just in case somebody there knows me from the BNBB.

Here's a good golf themed one...

Here's a kinda ugly one with lobsters on it...

Oh, found one more. Wish I had this one, but it got a little pricier than I was willing to pay...

"Rooster" brand neckties were only big in the late 50's and 60's, and the vast majority of them had square bottoms. Actually, I'm not sure how big they ever got - I think they were kinda obscure even back then. The best ones had really incredible designs on them, with lots of iconography. I've got a collection of about 100 of them, and maybe 40 are of really high quality (in terms of the design). I don't any photos of mine to share, but I found this picture from one on eBay right now. It just happens to have roosters on the front of the tie too, but most had other icons, or abstract designs. The best ones were the narrow ones, from the late 50's and early 60's, usually only 2 inches wide at most. Then, in the late 60's and/or the early 70's, Rooster ties got wide (like they all did), up to 3 or 4 inches wide. Other than job interviews, I haven't worn a normal 'pointy' tie in over 9 years. I've seen pictures (from the late 50's or early 60's) of both Gil Evans and Gunther Schuller wearing 'Rooster' ties (or at least narrow square-bottom ties that probably were made by Rooster). I'll post some more pictures when I find some good ones... (again, this one is from eBay)

I don't have very many good examples to show, but here's a couple...

I got a couple good buddies at Music Exchange. If you like, I could seriously ask if an Andrew Hill box showed up misteriously. When (approximate date) were you there, when the Hill box went bye-bye??? Man, I'd retrace your steps. What McDonalds?? Call them (any and all McDonald's you were at) in the mid-afternoon, when they're not so damn busy, and ask for the manager. Do it ASAP. Six soccer games?? That's tougher to follow-up on, for sure. Man, that suck so bad. The Hill box is like the best one of all!!! (Pretend I didn't just say that.)

"Brilliant Circles".... The very best "music's incredible!!!" to "sound quality sucks" ratio of any CD I've ever heard, including a whole bunch of bootlegs..... A trick I learned. The worse the stereo system is that you listen to "Brilliant Circles" on, the better it sounds. It sounds totally sweet on my $10 night-stand combo "boom box / clock-radio" with the cheapest CD player known to mankind. (Seriously, $10, made my Memorex, as a close-out at Target. They had 'em in hot pink, and cool 'ice' blue. Yeah, I went for the ice blue. I mostly use it to listen in the kitchen.)

Hey, Eric, I see you live in Leawood, and I'm in Midtown K.C. -- if you need burns of the Hill set, and photocopies of the linernotes, just say the word. And we oughta hook up anyway, even if you don't. Geeze, where could the Hill set have gotten to??? Was your car broken into?? Did the kid take it out with him, when you were out of the car somewhere?? Any chance you might check at that Starbucks, or wherever you were, and see if it got left behind by chance??? Man, that sucks. Sure hoping you find it, somehow. Is it around the house somewhere?? Basement?? Garage?? Driveway?? Probably not telling you nothing you haven't already thought of..... Good luck!!!!!! :)

Not very much, cuz I'm on a self-imposed spending freeze, but I did finally get a disc I've been searching for, for years. Got it on eBay for a decent price ($15 plus postage), cuz it was mis-listed under 'classical'. (I've seen it go for $25+ or occasionally more.) The Cure - "Entreat", which is a rare but legit live recording from 1989, made up of all live versions of tunes from "Disintegration". Here's a review: AMG review I think it's far better than either of the Cure's live albums from 1992 or so (which are called "Paris" and "Show").

Meaning the discs were in the box???????

OK, here's why I really started this thread.... What the hell is "kartoffel hadi blues"??? I think "Kartoffel" is the word for "potato", and this is born out by the fact that I get images like this when I do a Google image search on "kartoffel"... But what's "hadi"??? And, all together, is "kartoffel hadi blues" some reference to some actual cultural phenomenon?? I won't reveal the origin of "Rooster Ties" until potato-boy comes clean...

Thank you, Chuck, thank you, thank you, thank you. I can't tell you how good it feels to get some (more) recognition that this is an important topic. (Not that I want the recognition, which I don't) - but that I want the topic to have some recognition, and some more participation. And if I might be curt for a moment, I think this really is an important topic - and there are a whole bunch of you that post all the time in many, many of the political threads. Suck it up, and post your thoughts here. Yeah, this ain't easy, but it does matter - and I think it matters more than most of the "he said, she said" style political arguments/banter than goes on in this area of the board. That has it's place (which is fine), but often it isn't aimed at an honest exchange of ideas, and certainly isn't aimed towards finding some constructive ideas for change. All that said, I'll also say that I truly appreciate the feedback this thread has already gotten already, and I genuinely welcome some more feedback about this topic, from all viewpoints. And, while I'm on a bit of a tear (I'm 'buzzing' a bit now, which I don't frequently do -- the pitcher of margaritas my wife and I got at dinner was twice as big as we expected, and I drank 2/3rds of it, cuz she drinks even less than I do - and luckily we walked to a restaurant that was only two blocks from our home, that we somehow had never been to in our 6 years of living in this neighborhood), I want to publicly thank Conn500 for stepping back towards the 'center' in his argument against Affirmative action. I don't think he's changed his opinion about it (nor do I think he should, necessarily), but I can't say how much I appreciate his willingness to step back a little from his prior post, and rethink his position, or at least re-explain it in a way that is a little less --- god, how to say this without seeming like I was offended by it, which I wasn't --- to re-explain it in a way that recognizes that other people might have other opinions which might also be (at least) grounded in some observations that have some validity too. (And IMHO, we don't see this kind of behavior nearly enough in our political threads. Thank you, Conn500.) Hey board mods!!! (b3-er and/or Use3D) how's about we get this topic 'pinned'??? I keep trying to find subtle ways of bumping it up in the list of daily topics, and frankly, I think this is one of the most important political threads going on now. Thanks!!! -- Rooster T.

I hear ya, Chuck, and I'd welcome some discussion outside of those 'core' years of 55-65 too, and even outside of my core years of 63-70. I know you're more a topic contributor (and a valued one at that!!!!) - but I'd love to see you start some topics that pushed things somewhere else a bit. Start a Mahler thread, or an Ives thread, or Stravinsky. Somewhat 'safe' choices, to be sure, but ones that are likely to garner some responses, as opposed to my favorites - Hans Werner Henze, Roger Sessions, Carl Ruggles, Ernst Toch, Ernest Krenek, and well - you get the idea. I'm sure your favorites are also obscure, perhaps even more so. But, I do think this is the best board I know of today, and I'm sure glad it's here.

Damn, I could have sworn it was somebody that people had heard of more. Like Thad Jones, or Carmell Jones, or Elvin Jones (Ok, that last one was just a joke). Still, I'm surprised it wasn't somebody I'd ever heard before, let alone someone I'd never even heard of.

It's not really Webster Young, is it??????????????????????????????? I remember this thread back on the BNBB, and shit if I can remember who the real answer was, other than I vaguely remember that it was somebody that I kinda had some familiarity with, at least a little bit. And I don't think I've ever heard of a "Webster Young", so that's why I don't think that's who it is. Maybe it is, but I'd be surprised. Damn, Daniel A, you would post that entire thread, and then leave out the final payoff. I remember the thread like it was yesterday, and I reread it all just now, and was about to savor the answer - only to be left hanging!!!!!!!!

OK, who'm I kidding!!! This place is GREAT!! Nearly as good as all the best things I used to like about the BNBB. This is, by far, the best jazz board anywhere.... Great vibe, cool discussion, good topics, lots of people who aren't all "such and so kind of jazz is the only kind of jazz that's any good", plenty of Andrew Hill and Larry Young fans, Sam Rivers, Ornette, you name it. I'm normally loath to say things like this, but.... THIS PLACE ROCKS!!!!