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Thanks A.B.!!!

The site doesn't appear to be the same as when Google cached it, but there are bits of an interview with Lee Morgan in here... By the way, the link for this article was (at one time anyway): http://www.trumpetjazz.com/artists.cgi?nam...ame=Lee+Morgan.

(And not too suprisingly) I probably ought to add Jimmy Wood's "Conflict to this list, for the contribution of Carmell Jones. Anybody know of any other somewhat 'progressive' dates that Carmell was on??? I can't think of any...

Everybody start listening to Andrew Hill - "Grass Roots" for my album of the week, which starts this Sunday Thanks!!!

Beautifully stated. I'm not much into really "out there" free-jazz (for instance, much as I love Sun Ra, the Sun Ra I love most is the 'middle-ground', where he's neither as 'out' as he can go, not as 'in' as he sometimes is either). Most Ornette doesn't seem nearly as structureless (and/or systemless) to my ears, as some other 'free' players, and therefore - he seems to fit right in with that same 'middle-ground' I like so much. (Most Andrew Hill is in that area for me too.)

Makes me really wish there was a McCoy Tyner album from 1969 or 1970, with just McCoy, Lee Morgan, plus bass and drums. I love "piano trio plus trumpet" albums quite a lot, and it's a shame Lee Morgan didn't do one sometime in the late 60's. ( If I remember right, I think "Candy" was Lee's only "piano trio plus trumpet" album, either as leader or sideman. )

I just sampled a whole bunch of Phineas' 1960's Contemporary output (on bn.com), and DAMN!!! How did I ever not cross paths with this guy before???? I mean, I've heard his name a time or two, but looking now at his AMG bio, it looks like he didn't work as a sideman much at all - and that's often how I find out about people. Also, I'm pretty passionate about jazz between 1963 and 1969, and Mr. Newborn hardly recorded at all during that time - so there's perhaps another reason I've never heard him before.

That's enough for me, buddy. And, that was more than I could muster...

So, I suppose I should... .....and also know about Phineas Newborn and his music.

I'm ashamed to say I don't know a god damn thing about Phineas Newborn. (OK, I just read the AMG bio - so I do kinda know that much now.) Where would one start???

I really like most of Byrd's pre-1970 output, but my favorites are those recorded after 1965... Mustang! ('66) Blackjack, Slow Drag, The Creeper ('67) Fancy Free, Kofi ('69) Electric Byrd ('70) But that's as far as I'll go. The Byrd dates after 1970 just don't do a thing for me.

Not having heard any Weston before (not a single note that I can think of), I went off in search of some sound samples... For what they're worth, most (if not all) of these albums have 1-minute samples of every tune on every disc... at bn.com: http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/res...erid=2WRGO2BNHJ

There are 1-minute samples of all of the tracks from each of these CD's at www.bn.com, and here are links to each one... Change of the Century Olé Coltrane Sonny Meets Hawk! Ask Me Now! Thought this might help, as it helped me. (The only one of these four that I own is the Ornette.)

On the U.S. CD (just released), there are alternates of 'Conflict' (4:50) 'Aim' (7:10) 'Look To Your Heart' (5:50) For a total of nearly 18 extra minutes of music.

Hadn't realized that 'A Fickle Sonance' was that much of a progressive of an album (it's one of the few McLean BN discs I don't own). No reason for not owning it - just haven't managed to get it yet. No excuse either, since it's an RVG now.

Some very interesting choices there, A.B., including a couple I'm not very familiar with. Gonna hafta think it over, before I vote. Looking forward to the discussion!

Can anyone post a picture of this cover to this thread?? I'd be curious to see it. Sounds cool, indeed!! B)

Although he'd never play (probably), you might try contacting Carlos Santana (somehow). Young plays on his "Love Devotion Surrender" If Santana happens to be a fan of Young's BN work, he'd probably chip in $1,000 for the tombstone, or hopefully at least $500. Just another idea...

George Braith, with Larry Young, Jr.(organ), Roy Haynes (drums) Wonder Gardens Atlantic City, New Jersey August, 1964 http://georgebraith.com/bio.html#photoz

Listened yesterday to Andrew Hill's "Dance With Death" and side one of the 2nd LP of Hill's "One For One", and I'm really finding this side of Tolliver's work to be very interesting. With Hill, Tolliver doesn't sound nearly as much like the "Charles Tolliver" I'm so drawn to in Tolliver's own recordings, or even on most of Tolliver's other sideman work.

Elvin would be, by far, the best guy to get. Great name recognition, and Jones is by a long shot the best known guy to have recorded on two Larry Young BN albums, both “Unity” and “Into Somethin”, both of which are in print, and relatively well known. Man if you could get Elvin Jones, that would probably double or triple the success of this project. Good luck!!!

Well, here's everybody on the Larry Young Mosaic box, which should be Larry's entire BN output... I took out the names I know have passed away, but there are plenty here that I have no idea about if they're still alive, let alone playing (the bottom half of the list). (still active, that I know of) George Benson - guitar Eddie Gale - trumpet Bobby Hutcherson - vibes Elvin Jones - drums Sam Rivers - tenor sax James Spaulding - alto sax, flute (unknown status) Althea Young - vocal Stacey Edwards - conga Eddie Gladden - drums Byard Lancaster- alto sax, flute Wilson Moorman III - drums Herbert Morgan - tenor sax Jerry Thomas - drums Tyron Washington - tenor sax Hank White - flugel horn Eddie Wright - guitar Plus there's two sessions with Miles, and plenty of these guys are still around... August 21, 1969: Wayne Shorter (ss); Bennie Maupin (bcl); John McLaughlin (g); Chick Corea (el-p); Josef Zawinul (el-p); Larry Young (el-p); Dave Holland (B); Harvey Brooks (el-B); Jack DeJohnette (d); Lenny White (d); Charles Don Alias (d, perc); Jumma Santos [Jim Riley] (perc) November 28, 1969: Steve Grossman (ss); Bennie Maupin (bcl); Herbie Hancock (el-p); Larry Young (org, celeste); Chick Corea (el-p); John McLaughlin (g); Khalil Balakrishna (sitar); Bihari Sharma (sitar, tamboura); Dave Holland (B); Harvey Brooks (el-B); Jack DeJohnette (d); Billy Cobham (d, perc); Airto Moreira (perc) There's also James Blood Ulmer and Larry Coryell, from his post-BN projects. Maybe Nathan Davis is still around, I think. There are some ideas to get you started...

This thread is turning into a regular "Mother Ship" love fest!!! I've always loved this date, from the first day I ever heard it. The first time I got the Larry Young box (about 2-3 years ago), the only albums of his (lead by Young) that I knew were "Into Somethin", and "Unity". When I got to that last disc in the set, the one with "Mother Ship", I was completely and totally blown away. I thought "this is Lee Morgan!!???????" - holy shit!!! I mean, I always liked Lee Morgan well enough (and my appreciation of him has only grown and grown over the years). But at that time, I pretty much thought Morgan was just a hard-bopper (although obviously a damn fine one). Still, I wasn't as into hard-bop at the time, and I was a tiny bit dismissive of Lee Morgan (really of hard-bop in general, more so than of Lee). (At the time, I hadn't yet heard Lee Morgan's "Lighthouse" material, nor his last studio album with Billy Harper.) Then, when I heard "Mother Ship", I had to change my whole concept of Lee Morgan, and what he was capable of. Then I got Andrew Hill's "Grass Roots" and especially "Lift Every Voice", and I heard more Morgan in really challenging contexts, and I was totally hooked. And, I think hearing Lee play like that gave me a deeper appreciation of his more 'inside' material too. I began to notice more of the subtle things he did all the time, on every date - like slurs, and scoops - things you can't as easily notate. And I even began to hear some of these things in the Lee Morgan 50's sessions, which I finally got (meaning the Lee Morgan BN Mosaic). All this, because of "Mother Ship". If only Lee had recorded with Sun Ra (when Ra was feeling a bit more 'inside'), or more with Andrew Hill. I think I said this in another thread, but can you imagine a series of Andrew Hill albums in the early 70's, on Strata East, some of which might have had Lee Morgan!!! I know, this really stretches the imagination a bit -- but LP #2, side one, of Hill's "One For One" double-LP (the side without the string quartet) totally has that Strata East vibe going for it (Charles Tolliver's on that side). What magic there would have been with several Hill dates with Lee Morgan, on Strata East, in the early 70's. (I know, I know, I know - lots of things would have had to have been much, much different..... But I can dream about those things, can't I???)

Looking forward to this topic, as I don't think I've ever heard any Weston either, or at least not any that I can think of. ( I won't be springing for the Weston mini-Mosaic when it first comes out, but I absolutely intend to get it within the first year it's available. )