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I'm on my third spin of this disc since I bought it 7 hours ago. IMHO, it's almost as exciting (at least to me), as ANYTHING else recorded in 1963, and that should be saying a lot, considering all the Andrew Hill albums from 1963, and the piano-less albums Jackie McLean did in '63. I don't have my BN discography handy, but there was a lot of heavy shit happening in 1963, and "Conflict" is right up there with the best of it. All you other progressive-minded people NEED this album, trust me. It's not all that 'out', not at all. Just very adventuresome, within it's own context.

Thanks Vibes. Even though the Chick hasn't gotten a lot of votes, it sounds like quite a few people here have it (everyone who's responded to this thread, except Big Al). So, at this point I'm slightly leaning towards the Corea "IS" discs, but I haven't decided completely yet. I'll decide soon, probably within the next 24-to-48 hours. ( I figure if there's that much interest in the McLean (and there clearly is!!), then someone else will pick it for their Album o' the Week. ) ( If Tolliver were on the whole McLean album (and not just half), I'd be more inclined to pick it. And I agree that it's one of Jackie's finest recordings. All three of the McLean dates with Tolliver are outstanding, IMHO. Absolutely some of the very best work in Jackie's entire catalog. )

The only "mini-LP" I've bought, so far, is Andrew Hill's "Hommage" - which I got cuz I love all of Hill's solo-piano work. I've been this close to buying a couple others ("Conflict" in particular"), but every time I think to myself... ...overpriced... ...no bonus tracks... ...not at all my prefered packaging format... Awfully damn glad I held out for the U.S. one, especially in this case. Shit - $25, $30, or even some places want $40 for this title from Japan. And at only 37 minutes (without the bonus tracks) that comes out to almost $1 per minute, or at least a lot closer than I ever want to get.

Chuck, I too thought the sound on the CD was a tiny bit lacking, almost as if there were a couple boom-mikes in the room, and things were not individually miked. I know, I know, close-miking probably wasn't done all that much in the early 60's (or maybe it was?? - I really don't know). I guess I mean to say that I noticed the "roominess" of the sound was a bit more than usual. But the music on "Conflict" is glorious!!! And I the sound is still very good, if not quite "breathtaking".

Actually, Rosenthal's HARD BOP is where I first heard about it too. And I've been salivating for it all this time, just like you!! If they had released it in a jewel box in Japan, I probably would have gotten it by now - but I'm sure glad I waited, and got an extra 20 minutes of music for at least half the price of the import!!

FYI, here are some 30-second sound-samples of the Japanese issue of "Conflict".... Link: Amazon In case you're like me, and have never heard this album before...

Just listened the to master take of "Look To Your Heart" for the second time, and the alternate is way better (IMHO). There are a few squawks on the alternate, which make it easy to understand why they chose the take they did. But, the alternate is much stronger (IMHO), particularly on Wood's alto solo at the beginning. Much more adventuresome, with more energy (as I recall, after only hearing the alternate the first time). I'm on my second time throught the album (back to back!!), and I may listen to the whole thing again, twice more yet today!!!

Great idea!!! I think it would be good to know what's coming up, at least a few weeks ahead of time.

In a heartbeat!!! Actually, even though the "Album of the Week" falls to me next - I think I'm gonna wait on picking "Conflict" as the album of the week. Am I right in thinking that most people won't have this one??? - (since it's never been on CD in the U.S. before now). Might be tough to get enough people to go out and get it, now, on such short notice. But, I whole-heartedly suggest we come back to this one as an "Album of the Week" in a few months, after people have had some time to get it. Official Notice: if you're thinking about getting Jimmy Woods "Conflict" on CD anytime in the future, go ahead and get it "sooner than later" - cuz I predict it's gonna be an "Album of the Week" within the next 2-3 months.

Yeah, how can you tell the total number of posts for the whole board????

Damn, Woods' alto solo on the alternate take of "Look To Your Heart" (track 9) - is really stunning. This is only my first time (ever!) through this album, so I can't say that I specifically noticed Woods' solo on the master take. Maybe it was just as good. Man, I'm so glad they had alternate takes, and that they're on this new issue.

Looks like I must not have been the only one who didn't know this was coming out in the U.S. --- as here's a couple recent eBay auctions for the Japanese "Conflict" CD (minus the bonus tracks, presumably), which both went for relatively high-dollars... $24.45 ($27.45 with shipping) $18.52 ($21.52 with shipping) I just got mine for $12, plus tax (with a little "insiders" employee discount, 20% off most titles --- if I can find the right sales-person to ring me up, flash 'em an old card that's really only supposed to get me 10% off new 'classical' titles, but somehow I've got a few people in there conviced it's worth 15% or 20% off anything in the store, depending on who I find, and what mood they're in.) B) B) B) Oh, and of course the domestic one is in a Jewel Box. :rsmile:

I had no idea this was coming out in the U.S., until I stumbled across it today!!! (While I was out looking for the new Rare Grooves, which they didn't have.) It appears to have just hit the streets today, April 22nd. Man, I've been jones'n for this one for a couple years now!!!! I never did pull the trigger on the Japanese CD issue, cuz I hate "mini-LP's", and I'm sure glad I didn't, cuz the new domestic (U.S.) "Conflict" has three bonus tracks, that I'm sure weren't on the Japanese CD issue. (Can someone confirm this???) ( There are alternate takes of these three tunes: "Conflict", "Aim", and "Look To Your Heart". FYI, the total time on the disc is about 57 minutes.) Before 20 minutes ago, I'd never heard this album (nor any Jimmy Woods album, for that matter). I was particularly interested in this one, cuz it has Andrew Hill!!!! - but I didn't remember until today that it also has Carnell Jones and Harold Land, plus (of course) Elvin Jones. What a line-up!!! As I'm typing this, I'm only through the first three tunes and about a minute into the fourth track - but I'm loving it, for sure!!!! This is a VERY interesting album, especially for something recorded in 1963. Hot damn!!!! One other question, about Woods' other album from 1962: Is "Awakening" just as good/interesting??????"

Just stopped by my favorite shiny-disc-emporium, and they didn't get any of the rare grooves in today. They did have the new Dexter Gordon BN compilation (2 discs), so I think they either they screwed up and didn't order any (by mistake), or else they didn't intend to order any. (The only one I was gonna get was the Patton disc - I'm sure I'll pass on the others.) BUT, I found one other new release that I didn't even know was coming out domestically. So excited about it, I'm gonna start a brand new thread about it!!! :D (Hint - check out my new Avatar!!! B) B) B) )

Well, shit, we did "Live at the Lighthouse" - and that sure wasn't a mid-line price title!! I think single-disc Conns are definitely NOT too expensive to pick. ( Corea's "IS" sessions is a double-disc Conn, which ain' t cheap. ) Anything up to $16 seems reasonable to me....

Who me?????????

Also, be sure to add comments to this thread about which of these titles you'd be interested in doing, since you can only vote for one title in the Poll. AAJ has polls with more than 10 items, and polls where you can vote for multiple items in the same poll. Wonder if you can do that here too?? (I mean I know you can't now, but I wonder if the software has settings to allow this.)

Let me be more direct... If you don't already have Chick Corea's "Complete 'IS' Sessions" (and you would NOT be willing to buy it in the next 1-2 weeks), please say so... I won't be offended, I promise!!! Same thing goes with all the titles listed above, particularly the Hill titles. I know not everyone likes Hill, and that's OK.

OK, here are some titles I'm thinking of picking for my Album of the Week, for the week of 5/4 - 5/10. (And I may expand this list (slightly) over the next 24 hours.) Herbie Hanckock "The Prisoner" (a U.S. RVG title, cheap and easy to find if you don't have it) --- Larger band, "Gil Evans"-ish writing, fairly progressive sidemen, particularly Joe Henderson on this one. Andrew Hill "Lift Every Voice" (relatively recent Conn, 2001) --- Yeah the voices are weird (but they've grown on me), but you got both Woody Shaw and Lee Morgan (on different sessions), plus Bennie Maupin on one of the sessions (and Carlos Garnett on the other one) - both on tenor (Maupin may play flute and/or bass clarinet too - can't remember). Andrew Hill "Grass Roots" (relatively recent Conn, 2000) --- the most accessable of all of Hill's dates, you got both Woody Shaw and Lee Morgan (again, on different sessions), plus Booker Ervin and Carlos Garnett (on different sessions). Booker Ervin "Structurally Sound" (relatively recent Conn, 2001) --- With my main man, Charles Tolliver!! (And John Hicks too!!) Jackie McLean "Jacknife" (very recent Conn, 2002) --- Also with Charles Tolliver!! (And with Lee Morgan, although they're only on one track together) Chick Corea - "The Complete 'IS' Sessions" (very recent Conn, 2002) --- God damn, I love this album (disc #1 anyway), can't get enough of it!! Bennie Maupin is on fire!!!!!!!!! Also includes Woody Shaw (although in more of a supporting role). Jack Dejohnette, Dave Holland. This was damn near one of the best CD's I bought all of last year. I had heard a couple of these tracks before, on the inferior gray-market releases of some of this material, and never paid too much attention to them. But the sound is so much better on this release, and the performance and vibe is "kick-f*cking-ass!!!!" (if you'll pardon me and my "Aric" moment!!! ) In particular, if I were to pick the Corea "IS" sessions, do most people already have this one??? Gotta warn you - it ain't cheap ($27.00 list price, for a double-disc set), although there are a few at www.half.com (right now)for like $15 to $17 or so, plus shipping. Still, that's like $20 total, and really - disc #1 is the disc you gotta have. (Disc #2, I could take or leave - it's a lot more unstructured and frankly, really "out". Disc #1 is the monster!!!) Is there any interest in doing Corea's "IS" sessions?? Or would I have only just a few interested people??

Thanks again!!!!

Anybody have a complete of the domestic (U.S.) RVG's released so far??? That info used to be easy to access on the regular BN website (not the BNBB), but I can't seem to find it now, for some reason. Thanks in advance!!!

Damn, that was fast!!!!!!!!! Thanks a big ol' bunch!!!

Anybody happen to have a complete list of Conns handy?? I know there was one on the BNBB that I used to reference all the time. It even had them broken out by year of release (as a Conn) if I remember right. I think there are about a dozen that I'm missing, mostly semi-obscure ones - and I'd like to look back and patch some holes in my collection, through eBay and trading, etc... Thanks!!!

Hmmm, sounds quite interesting. I'm not a player (alas), but could someone elaborate a bit on the concepts contained in Werner’s book?? (Afraid the only thing I can do competently, musically speaking, is sing. And not jazz singing, which I am miserable at. I’m a baritone in the Kansas City Symphony Chorus, and have been in other choruses/choirs over the years.) PS: I just looked on Amazon, and there weren't any sample pages to see (often the whole first chapter (of some books) is available to read on-line). But there was this editorial, along with quite a few very positive feedbacks... Hmmmmmm.......

I don't think that "Lotus" has ever been released on CD. I've heard on the boards, once or twice at least, that the original master tapes are f*cked-up. Not likely to ever come out on CD, along with a few other early ECM titles.